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Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by eivarv »

The same old xenophobe right-wing populist rhetoric we hear in Norway as well (though Sweden has admittedly met with larger issues than us).

    "Yes, there was a heavy blanket of socialism and collectivist values covering everything, but there was a core of pragmatism beneath the redness."
Redness? Come on.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#23

Post by toyg »

Trufa wrote: post #11
mahouse wrote: post #8

Sweden is the best example of what happens when you have a completely liberal society. And, of course, it's bleeding to lots of places. And if you call them out, you are called racist.

Completely liberal?? Drinking is extremely expensive and regulated, drugs are strictly forbidden. It's full of subsidies and welfare in many aspects of life and society, not sure what you're talking about. It's very liberal in some senses, but calling it a completely liberal society is silly.

He's talking right-wing American English, where "liberal" strongly overlaps with "communist/socialist".

Americans are fond of reverting long-standing European political conventions "just because". Historical Liberalism was all about free trade and low taxes? Let's use the term for the party that supports higher taxes and regulations. Red is for socialists, blue for conservatives? Let's swap them! How fun!

(Not that it matters anyway, the entire European discourse is a million miles to the left of anything being discussed in the Land of the Free. The world is so weird.)

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by m_eiman »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #7
leonk wrote: post #4

Nationalism, xenophobia, and even fascism seems to be on the rise in Sweden - as it is in the rest of Europe. (I'm basing this solely on media coverage and personal observation.) Posts like this show a poor attempt, with entirely subjective observations, to justify some of these attitudes. What's particularly scary is how the poster tries to disguise his views with a belief in socialist politics.

Many points are exaggerated, but the immigration issue in Sweden is very real. It has gone completely off track. The thing is, you are not allowed to talk about it. People have lost their jobs doubting the official policy of unlimited immigration, which simply should not happen in a free country. Sweden currently spends half their health care budget on immigration costs. Of course the right wing will gain popularity,…

The thing is, you are not allowed to talk about it.

Really? Then how come I get the impression that politicians and newspapers are full of talk about the topic?

Sweden currently spends half their health care budget on immigration costs.

On the national level [1]:

47 billion SEK spent on migration and foreign aid.

63 billion SEK spent on health care.

Note: most of the health care in Sweden is financed on the regional level; a rough approximation of total amount spent on spent on health care based on [2] would be about 260 billion SEK.

[1]: http://www.regeringen.se/artiklar/2015/04/statens-budget-201...

[2]: http://www.ekonomifakta.se/sv/Fakta/Offentlig-ekonomi/Offent...

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#25

Post by Profan »

Numberwang wrote: post #5

I blame aftonbladet.se for 80% of the crap going on in Sweden at the moment. They really have made a huge difference to the worse of the mental health of the nation.

80% seems a bit on the heavy side, but I'll agree that them and Expressen are just cannons of useless vitriol.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

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Post by scdoshi »

the xenophobia in this rant basically amounts to "sweden for swedes", but it's more striking when you read this on the About page:

Please note that I enforce a zero-tolerance policy towards racism, violence and extremist comments.

Judging other people by the color of their skin is manifestly absurd. So please don’t submit such comments here

Edit: removed some sarcasm

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#29

Post by Pandabob »

Funny how, as a Finn, the more international vibe of Sweden is one of the main reasons why I'm planning on immigrating there after graduation.

Re: Goodbye Sweden

#30

Post by veeti »

scdoshi wrote: post #28

the xenophobia in this rant basically amounts to "sweden for swedes", but it's more striking when you read this on the About page: Please note that I enforce a zero-tolerance policy towards racism, violence and extremist comments. Judging other people by the color of their skin is manifestly absurd. So please don’t submit such comments here Edit: removed some sarcasm

Where is he "judging people by the color of their skin"? Exactly what is xenophobic in this post?
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