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The Next Feature Fallacy

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Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#21
post #3

While I thoroughly enjoyed this blog post, this seems to not be in the spirit of Hacker News: https://twitter.com/andrewchen/status/605422107028131840 "Can I ask people to upvote my submission? No. Users should vote for a story because it's intellectually interesting, not because someone is promoting it." via https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

A much more common thing to see is a link labelled "Discuss on Hacker News". I assume that this would be considered fair promotion?

Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#22
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what /newest trick? do upvotes count for more if they're made from the new page rather than the front page? (and if so, does it track state when you click through to the comment page first, then open the article in a new tab, read it, and then upvote from the comment page?)

The inverse: upvotes are penalized if the voter comes from a direct link from a non-HN source (e.g. Twitter), so people direct others to vote via /newest.

Interesting. How smart are they about this? My HN flow involves always voting from the comments page, even though I got there from the front page or /newest. Does that mean I'm triggering the penalty?

Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The inverse: upvotes are penalized if the voter comes from a direct link from a non-HN source (e.g. Twitter), so people direct others to vote via /newest.

Interesting. How smart are they about this? My HN flow involves always voting from the comments page, even though I got there from the front page or /newest. Does that mean I'm triggering the penalty?

Edited parent post for clarity.

Anecdotally, new accounts are penalized too even if they vote from /newest (to prevent blatant vote manipulation via sock puppets)

Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#24
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what /newest trick? do upvotes count for more if they're made from the new page rather than the front page? (and if so, does it track state when you click through to the comment page first, then open the article in a new tab, read it, and then upvote from the comment page?)

The inverse: upvotes are penalized if the voter comes from a direct link from a non-HN source (e.g. Twitter), so people direct others to vote via /newest.

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Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#25
post #3

While I thoroughly enjoyed this blog post, this seems to not be in the spirit of Hacker News: https://twitter.com/andrewchen/status/605422107028131840 "Can I ask people to upvote my submission? No. Users should vote for a story because it's intellectually interesting, not because someone is promoting it." via https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

I am afraid it does not work that way in practice. I have been using HN since its inception, or very close to it, when it was all about startup news and products. Yet I rarely visit the New posts page. If everyone were like me, the front page would be static. Heck I do not even go past the first 30 links. There is a lot of great content I am sure that never makes it to the homepage because it is not getting upvoted. Asking for upvotes is unfortunately the solution to this issue until we have built systems which are intelligent enough to surface quality content even when it is not being upvoted. In theory some content should find their way into the top 5 links as soon as shared, but that is not the case. Waiting for upvotes is like saying "If you build it they will come." They won't unless you market and yell it.

Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

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We've been guilty of this over at http://www.staffsquared.com . It's far too easy, and sometimes fun, to build better/more features than the competition. It's equally difficult for the sales department (and me at times!) to say "no" to new feature requests from potential customers. Conversely, the work to deep dive in to customer usage metrics that tell the story of how users use the app and reach their "Aha!" moment…

If people who have logged more than x times are 90% likely to upgrade, why spend any time on them?

Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#27
post #3

While I thoroughly enjoyed this blog post, this seems to not be in the spirit of Hacker News: https://twitter.com/andrewchen/status/605422107028131840 "Can I ask people to upvote my submission? No. Users should vote for a story because it's intellectually interesting, not because someone is promoting it." via https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

I agree the call to action was very specific ("dear HNers"), but I think we all assume that authors promote their own writings via many channels.

It doesn't say "check out my essay" it says "upvote my essay on HN".

Re: The Next Feature Fallacy

#28
post #3

While I thoroughly enjoyed this blog post, this seems to not be in the spirit of Hacker News: https://twitter.com/andrewchen/status/605422107028131840 "Can I ask people to upvote my submission? No. Users should vote for a story because it's intellectually interesting, not because someone is promoting it." via https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

I am afraid it does not work that way in practice. I have been using HN since its inception, or very close to it, when it was all about startup news and products. Yet I rarely visit the New posts page. If everyone were like me, the front page would be static. Heck I do not even go past the first 30 links. There is a lot of great content I am sure that never makes it to the homepage because it is not getting upvoted.…

I try to go /newest on once a day, i.e. "do my duty". I don't spend a lot of time there, but I do scan through everything. I've definitely gotten to see some cool things because of it.
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