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Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #7

I've been waiting years to see someone like him running for presidency, but I lack experience in Politics to determine if he could have a shot.

He doesn't have a shot. But he deserves a tremendous amount of praise for making it one of his hallmark issues. He'll raise the visibility of it and force his competitors to comment.

Maybe, just maybe, one of his competitors will listen and be forced to adjust.

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #12

Well, I can't source it via a link at the moment (I'm looking) but I have had multiple face-to-face conversations with people who have told me that Rand Paul has been invited to NSA 5-6 times, and refuses to visit. Ignorance is truly bliss.

Because visiting the NSA would enlighten him in any way? Critics of the organization would likely be granted zero visibility into their decision making process. Just look how they have treated their own high level employees who voiced concern ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake ). It would be a waste of a day. Maybe he could have met with Clapper - the man that perjured himself before Congress. Or Kei…

What harm is there in hearing what they've got to say? If it's bullshit, then it's bullshit.

Refusing to take a day to head down and see their presentation isn't a principled stand, it's being concerned with your brand.

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #7

I've been waiting years to see someone like him running for presidency, but I lack experience in Politics to determine if he could have a shot.

He's got a shot in the way anyone who declares a candidacy and meets the legal requirements has a shot. If you're talking about odds of getting the nomination (let alone winning the general), then he's got basicly zero chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Tv...

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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I'm as liberal as they come but I will be voting for Rand Paul if he ends up with the Republican nomination. This is one issue where I will be a one issue voter. Bernie Sanders seems like a great candidate, but I fear he is too reasonable and conciliatory to do what is necessary to properly reign in the entrenched interests of the military/intelligence industrial complex. At this point it seems like nothing short of…

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Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #7

I've been waiting years to see someone like him running for presidency, but I lack experience in Politics to determine if he could have a shot.

People don't always seek their party's nomination because they think they can win. Paul, I think, is too far away from mainstream thought and run of the mill corruption to be able to raise the money to win his party's nomination.

Think of all the people running for the Republican slot, this time and last time. Most of them know they have no chance.

They might just want to influence the debate, and move whoever wins closer to a position that they want.

Or they may be looking for book deals and talk show employment.

Or it might just be a way to enjoy good food for 18 months.

Or maybe they just have a huge ego and like to stand in front of cheering people.

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #7

I've been waiting years to see someone like him running for presidency, but I lack experience in Politics to determine if he could have a shot.

He represents a certain ideological constituency which will sustain his campaign as a means of getting their ideas heard. If the US were a parliamentary system, then he and his ideological fellows could form a party that would have a decent shot at getting enough votes to form a coalition-of-legislators with another larger party.

The US is however not a parliamentary system so coalition-building happens at the voter level rather than the legislator level. Many libertarians are forming a coalition-of-voters with the Republican party and by supporting Rand Paul are hoping to shift the Republican party libertarian-ward. He does not however currently represent a large enough ideological constituency that he would be able to form a coalition-of-voters large enough to actually be elected president.

> I've been waiting for years...

I'm curious what you thought of Ron Paul's candidacy.

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #24

I'm as liberal as they come but I will be voting for Rand Paul if he ends up with the Republican nomination. This is one issue where I will be a one issue voter. Bernie Sanders seems like a great candidate, but I fear he is too reasonable and conciliatory to do what is necessary to properly reign in the entrenched interests of the military/intelligence industrial complex. At this point it seems like nothing short of…

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As far as I know he is pro-states rights when it comes to abortion and gay marriage. That is, he supports a weak federal government and the right of states to make these decisions.

But either way, the issue of unconstitutional surveillance, and the entrenched interests in favor of it, is by far the single most important issue facing this country. I will be casting my vote with this fact in mind.

It is absurd to judge someone's commitment to liberal ideals by how they weigh the relative importance of issues.

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually confuse RuPaul with Pope Paul II

You confuse a 6'4" black drag queen with a 15th century Italian priest?

You never see them in the same room together at the same time ...

Re: Rand Paul: 'I will force the expiration' of portions of Patriot Act

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Well, I can't source it via a link at the moment (I'm looking) but I have had multiple face-to-face conversations with people who have told me that Rand Paul has been invited to NSA 5-6 times, and refuses to visit. Ignorance is truly bliss.

What do you expect him to learn from such a visit?

The amount of money available from intelligence contractors.
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