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Ambulances will trigger green signal

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Re: Ambulances will trigger green signal

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What's funny in certain countries (right now for me the GCC) is that people believe if you flash with your brights at the right speed and frequency it will automatically set them to green, or shorten the interval on the opposing traffic direction so it goes green for you sooner. Do other people believe this? I have watched people try for over 60 seconds or more until giving up, and I find this hilarious even today.

I could understand why people would believe this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_signal_preemption#Line-... In the US at least, that is how a significant number of these systems work. It's rather unlikely they would get the right frequency to trigger it, but it's certainly possible.

I doubt the relays that control the headlights are even capable of switching at the required frequency...

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Why doesn't the signal set all lights to red, leaving the junction clear for the ambulance to go through? The best reason I can think of is if the idea is to improve traffic flow in general in favour of the ambulance (e.g. allow cars in front of the ambulance to move on through the lights), but that quicklt becomes a much more complex problem.

Because I can proceed directly through a green light. The other directions will never be green at the same time. If the light is red, I know nothing about the other directions, and have to stop and 'clear' the intersection before proceeding through.

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This sounds like an overly-expensive implementation of the simple strobe-based signals used in the U.S. at nearly every intersection I've been through.

The old ones work by turning all lights red which is great for a low density and organized traffic system and make it non-beneficial to hack them unless you are immune to tickets.

If there is traffic crowding and narrow lanes or lane sharing then the ambulance needs the drivers in front of it to also realize they have right of way and the obligation to continue moving out of the way.

This is a common problem in older US/European cities where the streets have not kept up with capacity and are not as wide as would be required by current rules.

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What's funny in certain countries (right now for me the GCC) is that people believe if you flash with your brights at the right speed and frequency it will automatically set them to green, or shorten the interval on the opposing traffic direction so it goes green for you sooner. Do other people believe this? I have watched people try for over 60 seconds or more until giving up, and I find this hilarious even today.

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Re: Ambulances will trigger green signal

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Why doesn't the signal set all lights to red, leaving the junction clear for the ambulance to go through? The best reason I can think of is if the idea is to improve traffic flow in general in favour of the ambulance (e.g. allow cars in front of the ambulance to move on through the lights), but that quicklt becomes a much more complex problem.

Former EMS provider...

The laws on whether ambulances must stop at red lights and stop signs vary by locality.

It's almost always legally your mess if you don't stop at a traffic control device and are then involved in a collision — most laws and various insurance or service policy requirements tend to require "due care" or "prudent" or other such wording, and collisions are usually considered an adverse indication.

I've always wanted the traffic signal in front of me to be green on approach.

This reduces the numbers of stopped cars in my path.

Some of the drivers of the stopped cars at intersections will attempt or will perform odd or normally-unexpected maneuvers, sometimes leading to collisions. But mostly the herd in front of me scatters short distances, and generally resulting in intersection gridlock.

It's common practice in some areas to avoid using the siren in certain situations, such as when passing to the right of the bulk of (stopped) traffic waiting on a red, using the breakdown or turn lane at an intersection, for instance. Some folks will hear the siren and immediately block that lane, or they might turn into and collide with me.

The local traffic preemption systems all include a flashing indicator — a rotating red beacon on a cross-arm or a pole, for instance — indicating that the preemption request has been accepted and is occurring. This tells me that the other lights are all red. Or it tells me that I'm approaching a non-preempted light, and that the green in front of me might go red.

If the traffic lights are red and there's no preemption and no open and no bypass lane, then some of the folks at the front of the herd will inevitably not break that red, meaning local traffic gridlock, meaning that the ambulance waits (with the siren off) for the light to change.

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The traffic lights in Sydney are managed in a way to give priority to late-running public transport. I was impressed to find out the traffic light system in Sydney, Australia (Sydney Coordinated Adaptive Traffic System - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Coordinated_Adaptive_Tra... ) has been exported around the world to cities such as Singapore, Dublin and Hong Kong. Interestingly enough,

SCATS is also used more than you might imagine in some US areas. SCOOT (http://www.scoot-utc.com/HowSCOOTWorks.php) is a similar system used in a lot of locations too.

Re: Ambulances will trigger green signal

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What's funny in certain countries (right now for me the GCC) is that people believe if you flash with your brights at the right speed and frequency it will automatically set them to green, or shorten the interval on the opposing traffic direction so it goes green for you sooner. Do other people believe this? I have watched people try for over 60 seconds or more until giving up, and I find this hilarious even today.

Camera based detection systems track and detect based on vehicle headlights at night. It's theoretically possible that flashing your lights will ensure that your vehicle is detected, but it won't make the lights change any faster as people presume.

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Why doesn't the signal set all lights to red, leaving the junction clear for the ambulance to go through? The best reason I can think of is if the idea is to improve traffic flow in general in favour of the ambulance (e.g. allow cars in front of the ambulance to move on through the lights), but that quicklt becomes a much more complex problem.

You generally don't want vehicles in the way to stop. You want them to keep moving, at a safe speed, and get out of the way. It's easier for a car to get out of the way if it's moving (it can pull to the side of the road and slow down or stop) rather than if it's stopped at a junction.
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