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Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by cp9 »

throwacc650 wrote: post #6

http://www.pycruise.com/coc.html Am I the only one here who finds these do more harm than good? I specifically avoid cons to boycott this political correctness. Its also a slap in the face to the maturity of python developers. I'm offended to read it. Frankly, I don't want my pic blasted around the world for a joke.

What, precisely, is the problem with this? The entire code of conduct says "be nice, don't be a douchebag." Openness and inclusion is a great thing, and I'm very proud that more cons are working like this (Clojure/west raised a bunch of money to bring underrepresented groups to the con, which is great).

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by cp9 »

lamby wrote: post #14
inglor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine if you're offended by it - this means you're exactly the sort of developers conferences want to filter. Raising a good community is extremely challenging, lots of people feel excluded and making an inclusive conference is an extremely challenging task - it's also super important for the atmosphere.

> you're exactly the sort of developers conferences want to filter I would hope conferences want to filter actual harrassers, not people who feel uneasy about the slight social engineering and censorship undertones of Codes of Conduct.

> censorship

saying "don't yell racial epithets" and "don't tell women to make you a sandwich" is not even close to censorship. That's called being a decent person

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by emehrkay »

throwacc650 wrote: post #6

http://www.pycruise.com/coc.html Am I the only one here who finds these do more harm than good? I specifically avoid cons to boycott this political correctness. Its also a slap in the face to the maturity of python developers. I'm offended to read it. Frankly, I don't want my pic blasted around the world for a joke.

Jesus Christ. My work proxy blocks this page, not the main site, but specifically the coc.html. Can someone paste it into a gist or jsfiddle or something?

Thank you

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by kirinan »

therealkatie wrote: post #4
kirinan wrote: post #3

This is the coolest thing I've seen in a while when it comes to conference. As someone with a young family, I cringe when I have to think about going to another city for a conference, which is all the time because I live in Cleveland. Its not the travel, I rather like traveling: its leaving the wife with the kids and just up and going. This allows me to take the kids and wife, and not feel too bad about abandoning th…

This is exactly why I'm organizing it. I have two kids (and a husband who likes to have me around), and it's always a bit of chaos when I leave for a conference.

Thanks for organizing it! Ill get with my wife, but this seems very affordable and fun event in particular for a family of four its the same cost as a normal "large" conference ticket and those don't include all you can eat food and daycare.

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by cp9 »

emehrkay wrote: post #24
throwacc650 wrote: post #6

http://www.pycruise.com/coc.html Am I the only one here who finds these do more harm than good? I specifically avoid cons to boycott this political correctness. Its also a slap in the face to the maturity of python developers. I'm offended to read it. Frankly, I don't want my pic blasted around the world for a joke.

Jesus Christ. My work proxy blocks this page, not the main site, but specifically the coc.html. Can someone paste it into a gist or jsfiddle or something? Thank you

https://gist.github.com/ChrisPickard/af2c318468aae9c01b9b

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by emehrkay »

cp9 wrote: post #26
emehrkay wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jesus Christ. My work proxy blocks this page, not the main site, but specifically the coc.html. Can someone paste it into a gist or jsfiddle or something? Thank you

https://gist.github.com/ChrisPickard/af2c318468aae9c01b9b

Thank you.

I don't understand the issue that someone would have with these words unless they're looking to do something that is prohibited. Is a conservative mindset where they're looking to keep things the way they were? Do they feel that taking the effort to be as inclusive as possible hinders growth? What's the beef?

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by reuven »

jparishy wrote: post #20

Pretty cool. Ever since going solo I've wondered why more development conferences aren't in tropical locations so it can double as a vacation :-) I worked at an agency that did work for pharmaceutical companies and doctors/med salespeople do this all the time! There were a couple of jobs in Punta Cana, DR alone each year.

There was such a company for a while; I spoke on the first two "Geek Cruises," which has since re-dubbed itself "Insight Cruises" (http://insightcruises.com/). I'm not sure which market forces pushed them in this direction. We managed to see Alaska and the Caribbean, which was super fun.

I must admit that while those cruises were great fun and quite interesting, they showed my wife and me that it's not the kind of vacation or travel that is our style. Lots of other people do enjoy them, though -- and I'm happy to see that someone else is trying this!

The organizer might want to contact the Insight Cruises people; I don't think that they're in direct competition any more, and perhaps they'll have something useful to suggest from their experience.

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by throwacc650 »

lamby wrote: post #14
inglor wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine if you're offended by it - this means you're exactly the sort of developers conferences want to filter. Raising a good community is extremely challenging, lots of people feel excluded and making an inclusive conference is an extremely challenging task - it's also super important for the atmosphere.

> you're exactly the sort of developers conferences want to filter I would hope conferences want to filter actual harrassers, not people who feel uneasy about the slight social engineering and censorship undertones of Codes of Conduct.

> saying "don't yell racial epithets" and "don't tell women to make you a sandwich" is not even close to censorship. That's called being a decent person

On paper, diversity and sensitivity is great. I'm a free market capitalist, but the communist manifesto is still the most just draft I've ever read.

However, we don't live in a vacuum.

BSD, perl, c, linux, python, you name it. These projects welcome all and always have. We dont need a code of conduct. We hate how you jinx our cooperation and success.

By the way: Frankly my own black girlfriend loves cooking. I eat together with her family, and we tease each other all the time at the dinner table. Chicken, collared greens, Pepsi.

I've never felt so loved. Instead of tucking my balls between my legs, we laughed like hyenas over wars between our races. Dad was like "gimme my damn food woman!!"

Our dinner was on paper, racist. But our expression brought us closer, and its worth more than 160 characters. Political correctness is a pressure cooker strangling both our families' necks.

Re: PyCruise 2016

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Post by sophacles »

throwacc650 wrote: post #6

http://www.pycruise.com/coc.html Am I the only one here who finds these do more harm than good? I specifically avoid cons to boycott this political correctness. Its also a slap in the face to the maturity of python developers. I'm offended to read it. Frankly, I don't want my pic blasted around the world for a joke.

Let me see if I understand... You want to be able to say anything you want without repercussions. However, if someone else decides to say what they want in response, that is "blast your pic around the world", you are offended.

So your definition of censorship seems to be: "leting others call me on my bullshit". That is an odd definition.

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