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Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

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Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

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I don't understand why they even need their own web browser. Why not just ship Windows with Chrome. They could preset the settings to have bing as your home page. Or maybe that is illegal? What advantage to they gain by having their own browser? If there would be legal difficulties they could try to strike a deal with Firefox or Opera. On the same note I don't understand what Microsoft is trying to do recently. I mea…

Because then everyone would be using Chrome – Chrome already has a far too large market share right now.

If we want to have a free market of browsers, we also need multiple vendors that compete, otherwise the market will stall (see IE6)

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#22

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> I'll bet they aren't going to release Edge for Linux either. I think they might, seeing the recent trends.

The only trend I'm seeing is that they are open-sourcing stuff they don't care about anymore. E.g. I just tried OneDrive, which has a shitty implementation on OS X and no implementation on Linux. If OneDrive doesn't have a Linux client (or good OS X support), what chances do you think Edge has? And forget about Linux - if extensions are going to get distributed through the Windows Store, as this article claims, you c…

Then you're not following Microsoft enough. They are gradually making all the development tools cross-platform, just to bank on the dev knowledge of the users of Windows, Linux and Mac. Browser add-ons is another area they can get benefitted from by the help of other platform developers.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only trend I'm seeing is that they are open-sourcing stuff they don't care about anymore. E.g. I just tried OneDrive, which has a shitty implementation on OS X and no implementation on Linux. If OneDrive doesn't have a Linux client (or good OS X support), what chances do you think Edge has? And forget about Linux - if extensions are going to get distributed through the Windows Store, as this article claims, you c…

Then you're not following Microsoft enough. They are gradually making all the development tools cross-platform, just to bank on the dev knowledge of the users of Windows, Linux and Mac. Browser add-ons is another area they can get benefitted from by the help of other platform developers.

What development tools?

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#24
I played with Edge on my dev machine, here are my initial impressions:

> Its slow. I ran some benchmark tools and it is so far behind Chrome and Firefox. (I know its still in preview)

> I dont like the idea of installing extension through Microsoft Store.

> Developer Tools is still behind Chrome or Firebug. Missing JS & CSS editing, viewing cookie etc.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#25

I don't understand why they even need their own web browser. Why not just ship Windows with Chrome. They could preset the settings to have bing as your home page. Or maybe that is illegal? What advantage to they gain by having their own browser? If there would be legal difficulties they could try to strike a deal with Firefox or Opera. On the same note I don't understand what Microsoft is trying to do recently. I mea…

By producing their own browser, Microsoft can at least be assured that it works consistently under their own controls and can be used to power other features in the future for Windows. First feature is the Cortana integration in Edge. Good luck getting either Google or Firefox to agree for a deeper integration level.

You cannot integrate Cortana in Chrome like the way they did with Edge. Cortana is being used to collect information and provide better ads over time based on what customers are searching. It is the same market as Google is in and they're not going to do anything to lower their ads revenue and Microsoft is not going to pay them to bundle Chrome onto Windows, that's just not going to happen.

It is generally not a good idea to depend on a third party to provide the best browser (or any other types of tool) on your platform where they can control all of it and can deny whatever you want from them. Especially, when such parties are only doing it to drive business to their own solutions. Office vs Google Docs, Bing vs. Google, Cortana vs. Google Now, and so on.

Also, none of these things are being given away for free, they all have some costs for various groups. Companies who want to use VS professionally will pay tens of thousands of dollars per year for the support and maintenance from Microsoft, sometimes even more. Remember, a big part of MS revenues is from the enterprise market, not the regular consumer market.

Microsoft is not doing anything for free, that makes zero sense and would result into their entire management staff fired immediately. There are revenue models for each free solution from Microsoft, they're not in the market to produce free software, they're in it to make money for their shareholders.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#26

I don't understand why they even need their own web browser. Why not just ship Windows with Chrome. They could preset the settings to have bing as your home page. Or maybe that is illegal? What advantage to they gain by having their own browser? If there would be legal difficulties they could try to strike a deal with Firefox or Opera. On the same note I don't understand what Microsoft is trying to do recently. I mea…

At the very least, Microsoft wants/needs to have a seat at the web standards table, as well as influence at that table. While not a necessary condition, being a browser vendor is almost certainly a sufficient one.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only trend I'm seeing is that they are open-sourcing stuff they don't care about anymore. E.g. I just tried OneDrive, which has a shitty implementation on OS X and no implementation on Linux. If OneDrive doesn't have a Linux client (or good OS X support), what chances do you think Edge has? And forget about Linux - if extensions are going to get distributed through the Windows Store, as this article claims, you c…

I'm pretty sure they care about .NET and the CLR...

I wouldn't be so sure. Microsoft has lots of technologies that they dropped, including VB6, COM+, DCOM, DAO, ADO, ActiveX, Silverlight, WPF, WinForms, XNA, IronRuby, IronPython and the list is probably much bigger. I couldn't help but mention the Iron languages. Microsoft halted development right after open-sourcing them. And now they are effectively dead. Well no, open-source never really dies and those projects are just waiting to be adopted - which is the great advantage of open-source. But we are talking about Microsoft and their interests here.

Is it that much of a stretch to say that Microsoft is obsoleting .NET? Given the moves in "modern Windows" and WinRT, with their focus on HTML5 and the revived interest in C++, plus killing Silverlight / WPF which was the hot new thing only 6 years ago, well, it doesn't look good.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you're not following Microsoft enough. They are gradually making all the development tools cross-platform, just to bank on the dev knowledge of the users of Windows, Linux and Mac. Browser add-ons is another area they can get benefitted from by the help of other platform developers.

What development tools?

They have made .Net & CoreCLR open source (including the compiler, runtime and libraries), enabled Visual Studio to do more than developing just Windows applications (they now allow developing Android/iOS apps as well) and are trying to make developing for other platforms even easier with VS 2015.

Not only that, they just released a cross platform Code Editor which works on Windows, Linux and Mac, called 'Visual Studio Code'. That and more was announced in the Build Conference held recently.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#29
post #21

I don't understand why they even need their own web browser. Why not just ship Windows with Chrome. They could preset the settings to have bing as your home page. Or maybe that is illegal? What advantage to they gain by having their own browser? If there would be legal difficulties they could try to strike a deal with Firefox or Opera. On the same note I don't understand what Microsoft is trying to do recently. I mea…

Because then everyone would be using Chrome – Chrome already has a far too large market share right now. If we want to have a free market of browsers, we also need multiple vendors that compete, otherwise the market will stall (see IE6)

I was more asking how Microsoft benefits by pumping their own money and time into their own browser.

Re: Microsoft's New Edge Web Browser – How to Create Edge Extensions?

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What development tools?

They have made .Net & CoreCLR open source (including the compiler, runtime and libraries), enabled Visual Studio to do more than developing just Windows applications (they now allow developing Android/iOS apps as well) and are trying to make developing for other platforms even easier with VS 2015. Not only that, they just released a cross platform Code Editor which works on Windows, Linux and Mac, called 'Visual Stud…

Visual Studio Code is just a re-branded Atom editor [1] bundled with atom plugins, such as OmniSharp [2]. And while Atom is impressive, that's not Microsoft's doing, plus they took an open-source project and released something which isn't open-source and named that in a way to make people believe that Visual Studio is now all of a sudden cross-platform. Well, I think I'll pass for now.

[1] https://atom.io/

[2] http://www.omnisharp.net/

[3] https://code.visualstudio.com/License

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