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Learning the Cello as an Adult (1997)

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The author is also the creator of this wonderful very-many-track original composition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve4cBOnSU9Q

He's also done a lot of work in debunking audiophile myths: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

Really interesting guy!

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This is an excellent article and I can relate. I'm in my early 30's and I took up piano a year and a half ago. Learning music has been a great outlet and gives me something to study that has nothing to do with programming. I've taken lessons the entire time and I've found the best help my instructor has given me was telling me what I was doing wrong that I'd never be able to see. It's fun to learn something new and I feel music is a mystery that was similar to when I started down the engineering path. Even though its an escape I still ended up making an iOS app to practice sight reading since I didn't like what was out there. It's a shameless plug but its available and is free with no ads or iaps: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/music-note-sight-reading-tra...

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I played Cello for 3 years, starting in my 30ies. It's true that it's doable if you've figured out learning in general, maybe know a few things about music, or even better, have played a stringed instrument for that left hand coordination. But you know how good you'd like to play, and that is a massive undertaking: Playing on a fretless neck, bowing, keeping high body tension throughout, the sightreading requirement…

I'm learning the flute, and I know how painful it can be to struggle just to play one note in tune and a good tone, compared to playing a note on the guitar or the piano.

But it looks like you're comparing pop guitar/piano with classical cello. If you can always take a cello and play jazz, or even pop music. Then the comparison would be more fair.

Also, tenor clef is no harder than other clefs. It's just a different offset. If you learn intervalic reading you can read any clef.

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I played Cello for 3 years, starting in my 30ies. It's true that it's doable if you've figured out learning in general, maybe know a few things about music, or even better, have played a stringed instrument for that left hand coordination. But you know how good you'd like to play, and that is a massive undertaking: Playing on a fretless neck, bowing, keeping high body tension throughout, the sightreading requirement…

> Meanwhile, the return on a minimal investment in guitar playing and a bit of singing is almost comical.

To elaborate on this, all you really need to play a substantial amount of popular and folk music is to (a) memorize 4-8 chords and the transitions between then, (b) memorize strumming patterns that go with the songs you want to play, and (c) practice until your fingers stop hurting from holding the frets (substantially easier with nylon strings than steel strings).

For some examples, you can play "Free Fallin'", "Bad Moon Rising", and a bunch of other songs with a capo and just A, D, and G chords.

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I played Cello for 3 years, starting in my 30ies. It's true that it's doable if you've figured out learning in general, maybe know a few things about music, or even better, have played a stringed instrument for that left hand coordination. But you know how good you'd like to play, and that is a massive undertaking: Playing on a fretless neck, bowing, keeping high body tension throughout, the sightreading requirement…

I'm learning the flute, and I know how painful it can be to struggle just to play one note in tune and a good tone, compared to playing a note on the guitar or the piano. But it looks like you're comparing pop guitar/piano with classical cello. If you can always take a cello and play jazz, or even pop music. Then the comparison would be more fair. Also, tenor clef is no harder than other clefs. It's just a different…

If you've read treble your whole life, tenor may as well be rot13.

Ditto treble -> bass, or any new clef.

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I'm learning the flute, and I know how painful it can be to struggle just to play one note in tune and a good tone, compared to playing a note on the guitar or the piano. But it looks like you're comparing pop guitar/piano with classical cello. If you can always take a cello and play jazz, or even pop music. Then the comparison would be more fair. Also, tenor clef is no harder than other clefs. It's just a different…

If you've read treble your whole life, tenor may as well be rot13. Ditto treble -> bass, or any new clef.

Really depends on how you read. If you read "this note means this finger", yeah. But if you're reading intervals and translating to "play the root, then the third, while sustaining the fifth", then different clefs are just like reading in different key signatures.

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Hi, thanks for your schedule; was wondering if you can give more details for what exercises you do during your daily regular practice (30-45min) vs. the long practice (3 hrs), e.g., improvisation/repertoire/mechanics?

Hi, the exercises I do for the regular practise change according to the pieces I play and they also change if I feel that I get tired of them or they don't work. Many of them can be found here [0]. There are also days where I just "listen", not caring much for technique, but rather playfully explore a piece or an idea. The most important thing in my opinion is to not fall into the trap of just playing something over…

> The most important thing in my opinion is to not fall into the trap of just playing something over and over again, hoping for incremental progress

My problem, in a nutshell. 12 hours at a time of useless activity, but it's so darn fun and addictive...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi, the exercises I do for the regular practise change according to the pieces I play and they also change if I feel that I get tired of them or they don't work. Many of them can be found here [0]. There are also days where I just "listen", not caring much for technique, but rather playfully explore a piece or an idea. The most important thing in my opinion is to not fall into the trap of just playing something over…

> The most important thing in my opinion is to not fall into the trap of just playing something over and over again, hoping for incremental progress My problem, in a nutshell. 12 hours at a time of useless activity, but it's so darn fun and addictive...

I know, i can't say that I follow my own advice all the time.

If you do just one thing: play hands separated at least for a while.

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