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Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by higherpurpose »

dmix wrote: post #12
lenova wrote: post #7

I would love to hear Moxie's thoughts on Bleep and whether he thinks this is secure or not...

Two benefits over TextSecure that I can see: - Doesn't require your mobile phone number to use it - Not dependant on google services on Android Downsides: - Cant beat Textsecures crypto - Not opensource The last two points make this a no-go for me.

Another benefit is that it's P2P, which doesn't do much in terms of privacy (although Bleep's website claims that it does somehow...) but it can help with censorship - think Turkey, Iran bans of apps and services. I think even Brazil wanted to ban Whatsapp at some point.

I wouldn't consider it a top 5 priority right now, but I do hope OWS takes into consideration making Signal P2P as well in the future (perhaps with some new technologies that may appear or mature by then).

My own priorities for what I want to see in Signal/Textsecure next:

1) integrated Android app

2) desktop client (ideally web/browser-based, but if that's not too secure, I could live with a native app, too, maybe one that works only through Windows 10's store for the sandbox security and digital signing benefit, as well as for the new auth features)

3) video-chat support

Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by black_puppydog »

higherpurpose wrote: post #17
joshstrange wrote: post #6

I don't trust anything released by BitTorrent. Sync was a huge let down and frankly I'm not going to waste my time on any more of their software after the ad/toolbar/bitcoin-mining infested installers they put out for uTorrent...

Care to elaborate on why Sync is a huge let down?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8626931

Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by black_puppydog »

I am particularly annoyed by the name "Whisper" for the "25 seconds only" messages: It got me to read on because I thought they interfacing with WhisperSystem's protocol for TextSecure. Because, open protocols, federation and all that. Would have been nice, right? Well, thumbs down for that.

Also, if you don't trust the other to not want to log your conversation, don't send sensitive stuff. But then again people do seem to like snapchat and thelike, so I shouldn't judge too much there maybe.

Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by joeyspn »

joshstrange wrote: post #6

I don't trust anything released by BitTorrent. Sync was a huge let down and frankly I'm not going to waste my time on any more of their software after the ad/toolbar/bitcoin-mining infested installers they put out for uTorrent...

> Sync was a huge let down

Same with BitTorrent Live...

Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by zaroth »

higherpurpose wrote: post #17
joshstrange wrote: post #6

I don't trust anything released by BitTorrent. Sync was a huge let down and frankly I'm not going to waste my time on any more of their software after the ad/toolbar/bitcoin-mining infested installers they put out for uTorrent...

Care to elaborate on why Sync is a huge let down?

Sync was great until it locked all my folders and demanded $39 to start working again. Their free tier makes it sound like you get 10 shares free but I think it actually turned out to be 10 folders including sub-folders within a share...

Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by Sir_Substance »

black_puppydog wrote: post #24
higherpurpose wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate on why Sync is a huge let down?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8626931

That's as dishonest as btsyncs statement, in it's own way.

Because it's closed source, we don't /know/ how secure btsync is. However, we do know that microsoft, google and dropbox will just hand your shit over if the US government asks.

Something is better than nothing. The only open source competitors in this space are owncloud, who /still/ won't let me upload to both a work and person cloud at the same time, and syncthing, which I have high hopes for but which currently has a workflow so bad I think I'd rather just use a thumb drive.

I've stuck with btsync 1.3.94, the version with the beautiful workflow, just before it went off the rails. It solves my need to avoid google/facebook etc. /Maybe/ it doesn't protect me from the US government, but that's still better than dropbox.

I think bleep's gonna struggle, because it requires me to get /other/ people to buy into my disquiet, which turns out to be really hard if my experiments with XMPP over skype tell me anything.

You know what I might actually pay for? A gateway to facebook/gtalk/skype. I'd be willing to pay $5 per month for a bleep-to-everything gateway, either from bittorrent or someone else. Half of bleeps value is simply in my not needing another account (e: I could say the same about btsync).

Re: BitTorrent Bleep Now Publicly Available Across All Major Platforms

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Post by dmix »

higherpurpose wrote: post #21
dmix wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two benefits over TextSecure that I can see: - Doesn't require your mobile phone number to use it - Not dependant on google services on Android Downsides: - Cant beat Textsecures crypto - Not opensource The last two points make this a no-go for me.

Another benefit is that it's P2P, which doesn't do much in terms of privacy (although Bleep's website claims that it does somehow...) but it can help with censorship - think Turkey, Iran bans of apps and services. I think even Brazil wanted to ban Whatsapp at some point. I wouldn't consider it a top 5 priority right now, but I do hope OWS takes into consideration making Signal P2P as well in the future (perhaps with…

Re #2: TextSecure has a web/chrome extension version in development:

https://github.com/WhisperSystems/TextSecure-Browser

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