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German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

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Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I don't disagree that it is a strong political move, and an appropriate one, I have seen no proof that any of the NSA's operations have made the USA materially safer.

"Being safe" does not matter as much as "having power" does.

Well, once you're one of the people in power...you'll have a staff of people whose sole job is to ensure you stay safe.

Everybody else? Something about eating cake, I think...

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

#22
post #2

Happy to hear this, as an expat living in Berlin and being very concerned with the current NSA situation.

Same here. Privacy issues are something that boosted Berlin's (and German in general) startups or at least gave them an opportunity for easy marketing -- "we are not in five eyes". Now it's kind of awkward.

By the way, the pictured building (new BND headquarters) is in my neighborhood; I cycle past it nearly every day.

On the other side of the building there are two conspicuous palm trees; really tall and green, they even survived winters. I always joke these are actually antennas in disguise but who knows.

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

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post #22
post #2

Happy to hear this, as an expat living in Berlin and being very concerned with the current NSA situation.

Same here. Privacy issues are something that boosted Berlin's (and German in general) startups or at least gave them an opportunity for easy marketing -- "we are not in five eyes". Now it's kind of awkward. By the way, the pictured building (new BND headquarters) is in my neighborhood; I cycle past it nearly every day. On the other side of the building there are two conspicuous palm trees; really tall and green, they…

You might be right:

http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/#/beitrag/video/2396252/Van-R...

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

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Newest news from Germany: An important information artifact that was needed to illuminate this topic, was deleted. So, it should be clear, that the BND did not change, but somebody is now hushing up the whole topic.

(German) Source: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/NSA-Ausschuss-BND-hat...

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

#25
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a significant difference between the collaboration of surveillance of fax and telephone on one side and the internet on the other side. In the former case, specific justification was and is needed for each selector. In the latter, case that was not the case.

Are you sure? I'm not. Who controls what the BND is doing? Oh, yes, I know, they report to a group of politicians, right. They already admitted, that they are overworked and have not the facilities to check up the BND. Also, the BND already lied to parliament ... I guess, the BND is likely worse controlled than the NSA and the NSA has still more control over the BND than our own parliament, since the NSA is in the sa…

No, I'm not sure.

I just read that the BND-officials said that they are overworked, too - since years.

There seem to be systematic issues in the German intelligence services.

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

#26
Right at the end of the article is an interesting statement:

  The report said the NSA had equipped the listening station 
  in Bad Aibling with sophisticated technical equipment. A 
  number of NSA personnel are believed to work there together 
  with some 120 BND personnel.
The point here is that NSA personnel are on secondment or implants to use another term. Having implants encourages complacency. You end up with scenarios like:

   Bob (NSA): hey Klaus, can you add these new selectors to the filters please?

   Klaus (BND): Ja, when do you want that? Tomorrow ok? I'll get Alice to run them tomorrow. You still want to come to the summer party this weekend?
Familiarity in security scenarios is dangerous. Implants breed familiarity.

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

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Newest news from Germany: An important information artifact that was needed to illuminate this topic, was deleted. So, it should be clear, that the BND did not change, but somebody is now hushing up the whole topic. (German) Source: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/NSA-Ausschuss-BND-hat...

"it's a good rule never to leave documentary evidence if you can help it, because you don't know when it may be put in."

    - from Great Expectations by Charles Dickens

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

#28
post #22
post #2

Happy to hear this, as an expat living in Berlin and being very concerned with the current NSA situation.

Same here. Privacy issues are something that boosted Berlin's (and German in general) startups or at least gave them an opportunity for easy marketing -- "we are not in five eyes". Now it's kind of awkward. By the way, the pictured building (new BND headquarters) is in my neighborhood; I cycle past it nearly every day. On the other side of the building there are two conspicuous palm trees; really tall and green, they…

I wonder what the fee for is for intentional damage of a public tree (hoping it would not be a "good tree, that would not be nice to damage). Worth trying? :)

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

#29
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you sure? I'm not. Who controls what the BND is doing? Oh, yes, I know, they report to a group of politicians, right. They already admitted, that they are overworked and have not the facilities to check up the BND. Also, the BND already lied to parliament ... I guess, the BND is likely worse controlled than the NSA and the NSA has still more control over the BND than our own parliament, since the NSA is in the sa…

No, I'm not sure. I just read that the BND-officials said that they are overworked, too - since years. There seem to be systematic issues in the German intelligence services.

I guess, they have to much to do, spying on people.

Re: German intelligence agency halts Internet monitoring for NSA

#30
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I'm not sure. I just read that the BND-officials said that they are overworked, too - since years. There seem to be systematic issues in the German intelligence services.

I guess, they have to much to do, spying on people.

And we want them to spy on some people. But supervised and controlled by the parliament.
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