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Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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Wouldn't the NSA be able to capture the data on the way out anyways?

It would be completely irresponsible to not encrypt the data in transit between data centers.

And completely unreasonable not to suspect that the NSA can freely acquire those keys.

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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It would be completely irresponsible to not encrypt the data in transit between data centers.

Maybe, but Gmail just started doing that a year ago: http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/5530072/google-encrypts-gm...

Lets be fair here though. Google encrypted their PRIVATE data links based on the Snowden reports. Most people/companies would assume their p2p (point to point) links would be private, which to be honest is a fair assumption.

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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It would be completely irresponsible to not encrypt the data in transit between data centers.

And completely unreasonable not to suspect that the NSA can freely acquire those keys.

Only if they already have illicit access to the systems in question. In which case, considering Dropbox doesn't actually encrypt data at rest, it'd be much easier to get the data at the endpoints than in transit.

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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The clear point of this is not to protect from NSA/US Courts but to minimise tax. I'm not sure why they never setup out of Ireland in the first place, every other US company with international revenues has already. In addition unless Microsoft wins its appeal US courts have ruled that a US company eg: Dropbox can be forced to provide any data they have even if it is outside the US

Right. I mean, Condolezza Rice is on the board of Dropbox. If there's a company that is going to have pressure from shareholders to make data available to the government it's going to be Dropbox.

If she doesn't work for the govt. anymore why would she do that?

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I mean, Condolezza Rice is on the board of Dropbox. If there's a company that is going to have pressure from shareholders to make data available to the government it's going to be Dropbox.

If she doesn't work for the govt. anymore why would she do that?

Money,

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I mean, Condolezza Rice is on the board of Dropbox. If there's a company that is going to have pressure from shareholders to make data available to the government it's going to be Dropbox.

If she doesn't work for the govt. anymore why would she do that?

Why wouldn't she do it? She's on record as saying that the government has the right to eavesdrop on any American citizen for any reason without a warrant. (http://www.drop-dropbox.com/surveillance.html) I haven't heard anything to suggest that she's changed her mind about that. If she practices what she preaches, there's no reason to think she would support attempts to make Dropbox secure against government surveillance.

(When she joined Dropbox, there was a huge fooforaw over whether her actions under Bush during the Iraq War constituted war crimes. Honestly I felt like that was a red herring in this particular case--regardless of your feelings the war, it should be obvious that you don't want even partial control of your private documents going to a person who thinks that the government should be allowed to read your private documents.)

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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This post[0] in the Dropbox forum points out that Dropbox is suspected of the intention to minimize tax payable. [0]: https://www.dropboxforum.com/hc/communities/public/questions...

Remember "tax minimization" is legal, prudent, and a fundamental duty of company officers in these times of "maximise shareholder value" being the primary and legally mandated goal of a corporation.

"Tax evasion" is crossing over a not very well defined and continually shifting line - and is illegal.

At the moment, at least from where I see the world here in Australia, all the "global tech giants" (and mining/resource ones too) are doing a significantly better job of navigating the shifting tax rules across various national tax jurisdictions to minimize their tax obligations - than the governments and bureaucracies are doing of collecting "fair" taxes from them. Our local popular press is full of stories of FaceBook/Google/Apple paying zero tax in Australia because they can structure their invoicing/payments to and from different parts of the same global corporate entity – in entirely legal ways that result in zero tax owing in Australia.

I'd think less of Dropbox's senior management and advisor team if they weren't trying to take advantage of the same loopholes.

It's "Modern Corporation 101" grade stuff - "Maximise shareholder value by whatever means won't put the company directors in jail. Don't talk about ethics or fairness or duty to society (except in the Marketing Department and advertising). Talk about duty to shareholders and what's close enough to technically legal that our lawyers will sign off on it."

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If she doesn't work for the govt. anymore why would she do that?

Money,

I doubt it - I'm reasonably sure 50% less or 1000% more money wouldn't make a substantial difference to her or her families way of life - she'd notice, but mostly in a "using dollars to keep score" kind of way.

I'd suggest "ideology" is a much more powerful motivator here.

Re: Dropbox moves to Ireland for all customers outside of North America

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right. I mean, Condolezza Rice is on the board of Dropbox. If there's a company that is going to have pressure from shareholders to make data available to the government it's going to be Dropbox.

If she doesn't work for the govt. anymore why would she do that?

Shared outlook, shared values with the government side. I don't generally believe in conspiracies, but a board member wouldn't need to be involved in one for it to make a major difference, they'd just have to be more sympathetic to the government's case than the next person.
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