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Re: HBO Is Targeting Game of Thrones Pirates: What Does This Mean for You?

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Post by lazylizard » Sat, Apr 25, 2015, 5:19 AM UTC

b2themax wrote: post #18

fragmede wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I should just take refuge in your fancy-house To further your analogy, it costs me approximately $0 to make an exact copy of fancy-house, it travels over the internet to you, and what you do with your copy doesn't affect me in the slightest. I am very willing to give you a copy of my fancy-house under such a scheme, and you are completely welcome to do with it whatever you want.

You are living in this entitled fantasy world. How do you believe this doesn't effect film studios? Everyone who pirates a film is someone who could have been a paying customer. Instead they choose to break the law. An alternative option is to not watch the illegal films! Either don't pirate, or pay for your media. People shouldn't steal. Maybe they should be patient and wait until the films come into the public doma…

then maybe copyright should be limited to 5 yrs instead of life + 129 yrs.

Re: HBO Is Targeting Game of Thrones Pirates: What Does This Mean for You?

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Post by b2themax » Sat, Apr 25, 2015, 5:21 AM UTC

aric wrote: post #19

b2themax wrote: post #14

Piracy is completely unethical. He argues that somehow piracy caused innovation in the music industry, and thus the piracy of hollywood will somehow usher in a new era of innovation in streaming video. In some respects its true that Napster brought about innovation in digital music... BUT IT HASN"T STOPPED PIRACY! There is a ton of more streaming options today, which is great for lawful netizens, we do have a lot of…

You're welcome to do that. That's assuming you have the power to press a key and duplicate data that comprises a home and materialize it for your use. I'll even throw in a housewarming gift basket and a helping hand. The unethical people in these equations are the ones who try to bend the world to their whims of "intellectual" order. They see no problem with violence on human beings over literal duplication of inform…

> You're welcome to do that. That's assuming you have the power to press a key and duplicate data that comprises a home and materialize it for your use. I'll even throw in a housewarming gift basket and a helping hand.

Okay, I'll take you up on your offer. Can you please set up a server where I can download a disk image of your desktop computer? By one press of the button, I can have a copy of your "house"... no harm to you, right?

Let me just have every piece of data you own... just a harmless copy... just because I want and value it.

It's a lot different when it's your things people want versus other people's things.

Re: HBO Is Targeting Game of Thrones Pirates: What Does This Mean for You?

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Post by aric » Sat, Apr 25, 2015, 7:23 AM UTC

b2themax wrote: post #22

aric wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're welcome to do that. That's assuming you have the power to press a key and duplicate data that comprises a home and materialize it for your use. I'll even throw in a housewarming gift basket and a helping hand. The unethical people in these equations are the ones who try to bend the world to their whims of "intellectual" order. They see no problem with violence on human beings over literal duplication of inform…

> You're welcome to do that. That's assuming you have the power to press a key and duplicate data that comprises a home and materialize it for your use. I'll even throw in a housewarming gift basket and a helping hand. Okay, I'll take you up on your offer. Can you please set up a server where I can download a disk image of your desktop computer? By one press of the button, I can have a copy of your "house"... no harm…

That's correct. Your duplicating a home wouldn't harm me. My magical house would be Free and open source. Let me know of any bugs if you'd be so kind. Catch and release if you have a heart. The corner spiders are friends and good workers. I'll set up a server. Prepare your robotic minions. Ping me in 15 years. :)

Personal desire for privacy is wholly separate from whether or not your duplicating a house harms me. It's baffling logic to suggest otherwise. But I'll play along. In this hypothetical, you value some data and I don't want you to have it. Therefore, our interests clash. Acknowledging reality on my end would mean attempting to safeguard the data from you. That means taking realistic measures to do the opposite of making it free or widely available for a price.

There's an intellectual world. There's a physical world. Ethics is not particular laws subjecting people at arbitrary points in time. Ethics is discussion of real-world damage and recourse. It's philosophy that must be perpetually debated before it swirls down a corporate drain along with any other semblance of "justice" flushed with it to churn out prisoners and chilling effects. Caring about reality starts with recognizing reality. Duplicating binary information is easy. Information can spread across the world in seconds. Some obstacles are effective at earning support and capital from information. Other obstacles are not effective. Security is generally weak. Some people are naturally curious and hungry. Some people suck. Most people are generally good. That's reality. People who have disposable incomes often want to encourage the producers they value -- with money, without friction. That's why crowdfunding exists.