‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility • Hacker News Board

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by steamy » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:19 PM UTC

tehchromic wrote: post #12

I think this is a real indicator and validation of what the next economy will look like: humans at the apex of the arts, where imagination and craft will be highly valued in the everyday folk worker, and mundane or trivial tasks will be assigned to automatons. We will choose our own employment adventure.

The problem is the current size of the world population is designed and fit for the Industrial Age and not for the Information Age.

What do you suggest we have to do to the "surplus" of manpower now?

Please no retraining nonsense as jobs will dwindle too and mirror the trend elsewhere.

Please show some political sense in your reply.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by nosuchthing » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:19 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #16

nosuchthing wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...If we build framework to support such an economy, it may be possible.

That's the crux of the issue. It seems that the current economy will rather drive itself to the ground, taking all of humanity with it, rather than transitioning itself to a different value system. It looks like the post-scarcity world is not on the phase-space trajectory we're currently following.

On a macro scale it's momentum and incentives at play. Daunting, but malleable.

Locally, we're close to achieving sensible cities/communities with renewable energy, easier access to rapid prototyping, and worker co-op business models.

Do what you can with what you have to make your city and friends have access to healthy enjoyable lives.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by imh » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:21 PM UTC

tehchromic wrote: post #12

I think this is a real indicator and validation of what the next economy will look like: humans at the apex of the arts, where imagination and craft will be highly valued in the everyday folk worker, and mundane or trivial tasks will be assigned to automatons. We will choose our own employment adventure.

There will be few people needed at the apex of the arts, once the best of the best can do the jobs of most everyone else combined. We still need an economic plan for everyone else.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by brc » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:23 PM UTC

frandroid wrote: post #15

tehchromic wrote: post #12

I think this is a real indicator and validation of what the next economy will look like: humans at the apex of the arts, where imagination and craft will be highly valued in the everyday folk worker, and mundane or trivial tasks will be assigned to automatons. We will choose our own employment adventure.

To enable that, we need to have an economic system that redistributes the resources so that we can all have a shot a living a decent life, reducing the working hours of the many rather than the wealth of the few. Has there been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little?

It's not clear. Are you advocating for socialism?

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by neonbat » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:28 PM UTC

oldmanjay wrote: post #11

There is a big implicit "for now" after nearly every sentence in the article. Sure, we don't have machines that can autonomously optimize themselves. For now.

Soon...soon... pets robotic white cat

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by harryh » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:33 PM UTC

abduhl wrote: post #19

frandroid wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To enable that, we need to have an economic system that redistributes the resources so that we can all have a shot a living a decent life, reducing the working hours of the many rather than the wealth of the few. Has there been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little?

Of course there's been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little. Plantation owners used to work their slaves from dawn till dusk for nothing. Farmers used to work the land from sun up to sun down just to feed their family. What a ridiculous question. Why do so many people think that times have never been so bad when, in all honesty, times have never been so good?

Because we used to live in the garden of eden where everything was perfect, but then we sinned against god and if we don't repent we're all going to hell.

I'm joking a little but I'm also serious. I kind of think that humans are somewhat hardwired to think this way given that so many people believe some version of this story.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by icebraining » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:33 PM UTC

abduhl wrote: post #19

frandroid wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To enable that, we need to have an economic system that redistributes the resources so that we can all have a shot a living a decent life, reducing the working hours of the many rather than the wealth of the few. Has there been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little?

Of course there's been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little. Plantation owners used to work their slaves from dawn till dusk for nothing. Farmers used to work the land from sun up to sun down just to feed their family. What a ridiculous question. Why do so many people think that times have never been so bad when, in all honesty, times have never been so good?

Because the specific subset of people who post in these forums, mostly middle-class North Americans and Europeans, are worse off than a couple of decades ago - coupled with the fact that the type of jobs that are lifting hundreds of millions out of poverty make us feel dirty and self-righteous.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by munificent » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:35 PM UTC

imh wrote: post #23

tehchromic wrote: post #12

I think this is a real indicator and validation of what the next economy will look like: humans at the apex of the arts, where imagination and craft will be highly valued in the everyday folk worker, and mundane or trivial tasks will be assigned to automatons. We will choose our own employment adventure.

There will be few people needed at the apex of the arts, once the best of the best can do the jobs of most everyone else combined. We still need an economic plan for everyone else.

Their amino acids will make an excellent source material for the 3D food printers.

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by danso » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:41 PM UTC

> “If there is ever a technology that’s flawless and could always make perfect products, then we will be ready and willing to install that machine,” Kawai said. “There’s no machine that is eternally stable.”

This seems like a nice reformulation of Turing's Entscheidungsproblem

Re: ‘Gods’ edging out robots at Toyota facility

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Post by infinite8s » Thu, Apr 23, 2015, 9:42 PM UTC

brc wrote: post #24

frandroid wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To enable that, we need to have an economic system that redistributes the resources so that we can all have a shot a living a decent life, reducing the working hours of the many rather than the wealth of the few. Has there been a time in history where so many people have been working so much for so little?

It's not clear. Are you advocating for socialism?

Capitalism is a method for distributing scarce resources. Remove the scarcity and you remove the need for capitalism.