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Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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i'm chuckling a bit. but then the whole GNU ecosystem is about catering to a tiny minority with special priorities... inside of an even tinier minority of users of open source OSes. I'm sure I am just an outsider who doesn't really understand the needs or the motivations... Linux does well in the server world, and Apple get a lot of attention, but even then, between them, they account for something like 4% of OS inst…

Lets see, how much do you see Windows on: - in-car infotainment systems - in-flight infotainment systems - running digital billboards - mobile phones (hello android, meego, maemo, webos, etc) - smart televisions - smart dvd/blue ray players - etc You see Linux out in force on all of the above mentioned hardware platforms. The global Linux installbase absolutely dwarfs Windows in comparison by the simple nature that L…

in-car infotainment? Fiat, Nissan, Kia, etc all use Windows [1]

in-flight infotainment? Let's start with Alaska [2]

digital billboards? Given the number of snarky pics on the internet of billboards rebooting, etc, are you really gonna even try to go there?

Windows has a lot of play in the embedded world too. Yeah, certain areas not as much as others, but it definitely is out there.

[1] http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/windows-embed...

[2] http://blogs.windows.com/business/2015/03/26/unveiling-a-new...

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

> The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

The need for F/OSS operating systems (kernel and related tools) is as great as it was in the 1980s.

The significance of the GNU project in meeting that need is less than it was in the 1980s.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

i'm chuckling a bit. but then the whole GNU ecosystem is about catering to a tiny minority with special priorities... inside of an even tinier minority of users of open source OSes. I'm sure I am just an outsider who doesn't really understand the needs or the motivations... Linux does well in the server world, and Apple get a lot of attention, but even then, between them, they account for something like 4% of OS inst…

If you like other people controlling your computer/data and only being able to work with their permission, then no, I guess you don't need free software.

Market share on desktops might be low, though I don't actually care. I care that when microsoft or apple decide you can't install software outside of their app stores, when they decide you can only use DRM enabled video players, etc, that there's somewhere to turn.

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I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

i'm chuckling a bit. but then the whole GNU ecosystem is about catering to a tiny minority with special priorities... inside of an even tinier minority of users of open source OSes. I'm sure I am just an outsider who doesn't really understand the needs or the motivations... Linux does well in the server world, and Apple get a lot of attention, but even then, between them, they account for something like 4% of OS inst…

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Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Awesome.

Between this, OpenBSD, Haiku/BeOS, Linux and DragonflyBSD are my fav in term of news and interesting things to read. The dude from DragonflyBSD was over at Slashdot talking about batchprocess vs msg passing pro, con, when to use it.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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Do you realize that mobile devices like smartphones and tablets most often have a linux-based or an apple-delivered OS? Following Gartner [1], 60% of all devices shipped in 2014 have an OS based on Linux or delivered by Apple. Do you think that a law that prohibits making other people slaves is non-free in nature? Because the GPL prohibits something similiar. [1] https://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2954317

Your invocation of slavery to generate sympathy for your political goals is disgusting.

A law that prohibits slavery was just the first - and now after thinking about it a very good - analogy for the situation at hand. A better one is welcome :)

I wasn't advertising any political goals. I just thought that the idea behind the GPL wasn't understood and wanted to make it clearer.

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GNU has always been a political movement, software is just a means to an end. Both GNU and the FSF are irrelevant and the free software world would be better without them.

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Lets see, how much do you see Windows on: - in-car infotainment systems - in-flight infotainment systems - running digital billboards - mobile phones (hello android, meego, maemo, webos, etc) - smart televisions - smart dvd/blue ray players - etc You see Linux out in force on all of the above mentioned hardware platforms. The global Linux installbase absolutely dwarfs Windows in comparison by the simple nature that L…

in-car infotainment? Fiat, Nissan, Kia, etc all use Windows [1] in-flight infotainment? Let's start with Alaska [2] digital billboards? Given the number of snarky pics on the internet of billboards rebooting, etc, are you really gonna even try to go there? Windows has a lot of play in the embedded world too. Yeah, certain areas not as much as others, but it definitely is out there. [1] http://www.microsoft.com/window…

>microsoft.com

>blog.windows.com

Mind if I ask for non-biased sources? The first one has no date and the second is only for alaska airlines.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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I'm sure there will be a few people chuckling at the news that the Hurd is still under development. Yesterday I learned from one of my colleagues that the newer versions of OSX will only run kernel extensions signed by Apple. The need for the GNU project is as great now as it was in the 1980s.

i'm chuckling a bit. but then the whole GNU ecosystem is about catering to a tiny minority with special priorities... inside of an even tinier minority of users of open source OSes. I'm sure I am just an outsider who doesn't really understand the needs or the motivations... Linux does well in the server world, and Apple get a lot of attention, but even then, between them, they account for something like 4% of OS inst…

Wow. Thanks for bringing back visions of the 1990s.

These arguments were tiresome then; they are boring now.

You are conflating GNU, GPL and LGPL.

The GNU system may never be as successful as you think. But portions like The GNU Compiler Collection (gcc, go, etc.) and GnuPG (GNU Privacy Guard) and thinks like GNU Emacs are the standard which others are measured against.

Second the "absolutely awful" licenses; being under the GPL has certainly hindered Linux adoption. And Samba. And ...

The GPL and LGPL are amongst the, if not the, most successful software licences in history. What's more they are one of the few that has resulted in more freedom.

Things such as Netgear's WRT-54G are classic examples of where these "awful licences" have changed the world for the better.

Re: GNU Hurd 0.6 released

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No, it's quite similar. The GPL doesn't inhibit freedom, it inhibits the power to erode freedom.

The only way you can consider this "quite similar" is if you are using a rhetorical flourish to manipulate the listener emotionally. Which is, of course, what is being done here, and not for the first time on this particular topic. Just remember, hyperbole serves no master. Employ it at the risk of having it employed right back against you.

The way I consider it quite similar is that the freedom to own slaves isn't a real freedom, neither is the freedom to use my code to restrict other people's freedom in computing.
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