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Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that Microsoft('s lackey) took care of lowering their value as much as possible before buying the Devices and Services unit for some spare change.

Come on. Nokia was doing a fine job of lowering the value of their handset business on their own.

He is absolutely right.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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I don't really understand how this works. Microsoft bought Nokia for about $7B[1] and now Nokia pays more than twice that amount for Alcatel? Where is this money coming from and why is Alcatel worth so much more? [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-closes-nokia-acquis...

Nokia Networks has been very separate venture from the better known Nokia-mobile. It was previously a joint venture between Nokia and Siemens known as NSN (Nokia Siemens Networks). In 2013 Nokia bought rest of the stock from Siemens and renamed it Nokia Networks.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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I don't really understand how this works. Microsoft bought Nokia for about $7B[1] and now Nokia pays more than twice that amount for Alcatel? Where is this money coming from and why is Alcatel worth so much more? [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-closes-nokia-acquis...

Microsoft bought Nokia's consumer cell phones division.

Nokia is also a telecommunication equipment designer and manufacturer (since long before cell phones even existed) similar to Ericsson, Huawei or Alcatel-Lucent. They also got into nav/geomapping after buying Navteq (then Ovi, currently HERE) but that's probably getting spun off.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

Nokia's buying of AL probably means that they won't have to license the brand to Foxconn in order to make hardware. (The N1 is a pretty good tablet though.)

Also worth noting is that AL ows a pretty big pool of patents, so I'm not sure what was Nokia's main motivation.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget that Microsoft('s lackey) took care of lowering their value as much as possible before buying the Devices and Services unit for some spare change.

Come on. Nokia was doing a fine job of lowering the value of their handset business on their own.

Yeah. It wasn't Elop who created one of the most dysfunctional software development units ever. He was brought in when the damage of previous bad management was just becoming fully apparent.

Nokia in 2007-2010 was spending many times more than Apple on R&D. For that money, they got multiple infighting operating system teams each developing their own half-baked thing (Symbian, MeeGo, Qt, S40) and device teams that were building uncompetitive devices on top of 3-year-old software.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

I just hope whoever buys HERE doesn't screw it up. At the moment I do like them more than the google maps. They are also cheaper when it comes to licenses.

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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So it's Nokia-Siemens-Alcatel-Lucent? A powerhouse!

Siemens is still Siemens, and Nokia bought Siemens's shares in NSN (renaming it Nokia Networks) in 2013.

Yes, they're still going down the drain

It's a company that has no speed to compete in the modern world

See what divisions they closed/sold off in the past years

Can't say I'm sorry

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