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NY Cops Used ‘Stingray’ Spy Tool 46 Times Without Warrant

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Re: NY Cops Used ‘Stingray’ Spy Tool 46 Times Without Warrant

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Post by wavefunction »

upofadown wrote: post #20

So the lesson learned here is that the police should not keep any records at all. The fact that this particular department ended up recording use could in some sense be considered an error. Law enforcement has been doing secret surveillance since before ever. The Stingray stuff is just an attempt to continue doing what they have always done in the face of encryption. It's probably time for society to have a discussio…

The police broke the law. Whatever equivocations you want to offer in their defense, they broke the law.

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Post by Istof »

mckoss wrote: post #19

It seems to me a Stingray is designed specifically to get around the need for a court order. OTW they would just subpoena the records of a cell carrier to get the information on a target they suspect.

... but they still should be charged with hacking.

Re: NY Cops Used ‘Stingray’ Spy Tool 46 Times Without Warrant

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Post by upofadown »

wavefunction wrote: post #21
upofadown wrote: post #20

So the lesson learned here is that the police should not keep any records at all. The fact that this particular department ended up recording use could in some sense be considered an error. Law enforcement has been doing secret surveillance since before ever. The Stingray stuff is just an attempt to continue doing what they have always done in the face of encryption. It's probably time for society to have a discussio…

The police broke the law. Whatever equivocations you want to offer in their defense, they broke the law.

That's sort of my point. If we want the police to stop breaking the law we should come out and tell them that. I really doubt that law enforcement likes being forced to break the very laws they are supposed to uphold. The police are our employees. We are being bad employers by asking them to do things that are impossible. Like most employees, they will do whatever it takes to do their job.

Re: NY Cops Used ‘Stingray’ Spy Tool 46 Times Without Warrant

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Post by mckoss »

Istof wrote: post #24
mckoss wrote: post #19

It seems to me a Stingray is designed specifically to get around the need for a court order. OTW they would just subpoena the records of a cell carrier to get the information on a target they suspect.

... but they still should be charged with hacking.

I agree - totally illegal (or should be).
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