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Re: Learning the Web

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Post by giancarlostoro » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:02 PM UTC

malandrew wrote: post #11

lazyloop wrote: post #2

LEARN TECHNOLOGIES: HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Python One of those does not belong.

Yup, that fourth one should be replaced with options. Learn these for the frontent: HTML, CSS, JavaScript Backend options: JavaScript (NodeJS or io.js), Python, Go, Ruby All four of those backend options are reasonable options for beginners moving from the frontend to the backend or learning the frontend and backend simultaneously.

In their defense though they haven't even finished the Python page, it's very likely there will be other languages added eventually, mind you this is my assumption.

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by mbrubeck » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:17 PM UTC

dzine wrote: post #3

While I applaud the effort, this just shows how disconnected Mozilla has become from the web in general. I wish they'd concentrate on making a great browser, an area they were leading until Chrome and the mobile web happened.

All the major browser vendors (except maybe Apple) are doing similar things, like https://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Beginners (created by MS/Google/Opera) and http://www.html5rocks.com/ (run by Google). Does that make them "disconnected" too?

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by zer0rest » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:17 PM UTC

dzine wrote: post #3

While I applaud the effort, this just shows how disconnected Mozilla has become from the web in general. I wish they'd concentrate on making a great browser, an area they were leading until Chrome and the mobile web happened.

they're working on servo(written in rust) as pointed out already, but firefox continues to be the choice for power users, no other browser allows the same level of addons and being so customizable

also, you don't sell your soul to google as a plus

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by mbrubeck » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:19 PM UTC

lazyloop wrote: post #2

LEARN TECHNOLOGIES: HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Python One of those does not belong.

Mozilla's own web sites and services (like www.mozilla.org) are written with Python/Django, making Mozilla a significant user/contributor in the Python web ecosystem: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Webdev/GetInvolved

The section does seem out of place in this context, but one reason that MDN has Python webdev info is to help community members contribute to this part of the Mozilla project. (MDN also has information about Gecko's internal C++ code, for similar reasons.)

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by ausjke » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:32 PM UTC

Thank you Mozilla for this site. It has been my reference for a long while.

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by f0rgot » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:40 PM UTC

This is sweet! Thanks Mozilla. I have waaaay too many things on my list that I want to learn, and I made a commitment to stop jumping around from one tutorial / site to another. So on the list it goes!

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by buckbova » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 8:57 PM UTC

While this is great, I'd prefer the w3c wiki is kept up to date.

http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by Scarbutt » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 9:36 PM UTC

I hate that resources on one topic are scattered everywhere, with no single path or centralized section, for example, from here https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Learn/CSS there is no path or easy way to get to another CSS resource on the site, like to this one: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/CSS/Getti... .

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by geppetto » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 10:47 PM UTC

Mozilla is also a webplatform steward [0]. Duplicate effort?

BTW progress is quite slow on webplatform...

[0] https://www.webplatform.org/stewards/mozilla/

Re: Learning the Web

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Post by jimmaswell » Fri, Mar 27, 2015, 11:30 PM UTC

malandrew wrote: post #11

lazyloop wrote: post #2

LEARN TECHNOLOGIES: HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Python One of those does not belong.

Yup, that fourth one should be replaced with options. Learn these for the frontent: HTML, CSS, JavaScript Backend options: JavaScript (NodeJS or io.js), Python, Go, Ruby All four of those backend options are reasonable options for beginners moving from the frontend to the backend or learning the frontend and backend simultaneously.

I've written some backend in C# and it was highly productive. I hate dealing with the uncertainty and mushyness that seems to show itself in dynamic or script-like languages in projects larger than a small script. Obviously they're viable choices according to their userbases but it wouldn't hurt to point out some more strongly or statically typed choices. There are solid frameworks in Java too, which has had a lot of industry use as a web backend. I'd probably also find your suggestion of Go nicer to work with than Python or Ruby.

And how did PHP get left out of this?