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Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That allows CloudFlare to MITM your SSL, so I'm torn on whether it's better than plaintext. Sure, it reduces the points where people can read your data down to one, but it also makes SSL go from "definitely secure to the server" to "probably secure".

Do you feel the same way about SSL termination on an Amazon ELB?

Yeah, as well as hosting on AWS.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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According to their site, http://blog.eurodns.com/eurodns-ssl-certificates/ , this is only for domains registered with them. So it's not really free. StartCom/StarSSL has provided fully free certificates for some time: http://www.startssl.com/?app=1 edit : Title is now clearer, I believe the "to customers" portion wasn't initially there. Or I just suck at reading.

Registered or transferred domains.

The only way to transfer registrars is to pay the new registrar for an extra year, so that is a distinction without a difference.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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If they had announced this before the Let's Encrypt[0] initiative it would have been more impressive, but still it is a nice gesture to offer these for the month or two that people are still buying them. I wonder if it is a preemptive move to keep customers from taking their certificates elsewhere, as you will be able to do with the Let's Encrypt certs? Reading the rest of the announcement, It looks like they are slo…

Even in a world where Lets Encrypt exists and actually provides free certs, I don't want a world where they become the SPOF for all certs, and I can't even imagine that they want that world.

Insofar as I can guess the end-game, it seems like they want to offer free certs so that providers like EuroDNS do exactly this. That way we have lots of providers offering free certs and competing on features and security rather than cost.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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Their annual domain registration prices appear to be 50-100% higher than many other registrars, so I'm not sure how "free" this is...

True, it's not the cheapest but EuroDNS is more service oriented with a free mailbox, a free ssl certificate, 4 name servers with Anycast nodes. And the renewals remain usually at the same price, and not the first year under the real cost price as some does in the industry.

Former EuroDNS customer here. While you guys do offer Open-Xchange for free, it's the limited version lacking many features. Also, last year your engineers disabled SSL on your open-Xchange server for a few days until someone complained and you re-enabled it. [0]

Also I found your web management interface to be difficult to navigate. I often had to go looking in your KB to find answers for how to do simple things like update A records (Namecheap does this much better).

The one positive thing I will say from my time as a EuroDNS customer is that you do allow people to register European domains that require residence, acting as the Technical contact for customers who are not living in Europe.

But overall, the higher prices and below average service weren't a compelling reason to stick with you guys. Other registrars like Namecheap also offer free SSL certificates for new registrations and multiple DNS servers.

[0] https://twitter.com/h_martien/status/514824795599687681

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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According to https://www.eurodns.com/ssl-certificate-faq/#whatisincluded "For an additional fee you can add a wildcard to the Alpha SSL certificate meaning that the certificate can be used on an unlimited number of subdomains and servers. The wildcard option allows for additional subdomains or servers to be added in the future." ... so no wildcards for free. fyi.

I don't know of any service that allows wildcards for free.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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While a step in the right direction for EuroDNS, it's not really exciting at all. We need more completely free CAs.

No, we don't. The CA is supposed to verify the owner of the certificate and stand behind that with a financial guarantee. Otherwise, it's just security theater.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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post #26
post #2

While a step in the right direction for EuroDNS, it's not really exciting at all. We need more completely free CAs.

No, we don't. The CA is supposed to verify the owner of the certificate and stand behind that with a financial guarantee. Otherwise, it's just security theater.

I'm getting certificates for various websites with fake details for years now. The theater is there already, it would and we should not pay for it anyway.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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post #26
post #2

While a step in the right direction for EuroDNS, it's not really exciting at all. We need more completely free CAs.

No, we don't. The CA is supposed to verify the owner of the certificate and stand behind that with a financial guarantee. Otherwise, it's just security theater.

The whole CA system is already a security theatre.

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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post #10

According to their site, http://blog.eurodns.com/eurodns-ssl-certificates/ , this is only for domains registered with them. So it's not really free. StartCom/StarSSL has provided fully free certificates for some time: http://www.startssl.com/?app=1 edit : Title is now clearer, I believe the "to customers" portion wasn't initially there. Or I just suck at reading.

StartSSL has been on the naughty list for a while

They charge for revocation, so it negates the entire idea of a "free certificate" if you can't properly revoke them without forking over money. It literally breaks the entire idea of revocation.

This was made very clear when Heartbleed happened

Re: EuroDNS introduces free SSL certificates to customers

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post #26
post #2

While a step in the right direction for EuroDNS, it's not really exciting at all. We need more completely free CAs.

No, we don't. The CA is supposed to verify the owner of the certificate and stand behind that with a financial guarantee. Otherwise, it's just security theater.

Not everyone wants verification. I just want encryption whilst minimizing payment to the SSL cartel.
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