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Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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My hometown is Wujin, Changzhou, the second city this post described. I lived there for almost 20 years. It has never been a ghost city as I known. It is always flourishing. If this place will be called ghost city, I don't know how you describe most United States cities.

That is the point of the article.

The article is a list of places that are not ghost cities, even though they have been described as such by idiots in the press.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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The current narrative in the u.s. press, including the tech press, is that china is somewhat backward and uncompetitive. Some people even still call them communist. When the reality is quite different, with cutting edge research, products, technology coming out every day. There are cities in china you've never even heard of that have populations bigger than most major u.s. cities. In something like 50 years the Chine…

> Some people even still call them communist.

Such as the PRC government.

http://english1.english.gov.cn/links/cpc.htm

It's Socialist, too

http://english.gov.cn/archive/white_paper/2014/09/09/content...

> In something like 50 years the Chinese went from a poor 3rd world country to 1st world, pulling over 500 million people out of poverty and into the middle class.

So did the Soviet Union. The thing is, you can only have an Industrial Revolution once.

> Even the chinese food in the u.s. is old-fashioned and not modern compared to what's in China now.

Chinese-American cuisine is completely separate from what's eaten in China and must be understood as its own cultural entity.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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The "ghost city" phenomenon always seemed like a good headline, ignoring the real building tragedy going on: poor quality housing, poor city planning, poor urban facilities. I see massive developments going on around me and yes, for a long time they are empty and ghostlike. they slowly fill up, and the urban centers become that bit more unliveable, that bit more crowded etc.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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post #22

The current narrative in the u.s. press, including the tech press, is that china is somewhat backward and uncompetitive. Some people even still call them communist. When the reality is quite different, with cutting edge research, products, technology coming out every day. There are cities in china you've never even heard of that have populations bigger than most major u.s. cities. In something like 50 years the Chine…

> Some people even still call them communist. Such as the PRC government. http://english1.english.gov.cn/links/cpc.htm It's Socialist, too http://english.gov.cn/archive/white_paper/2014/09/09/content... > In something like 50 years the Chinese went from a poor 3rd world country to 1st world, pulling over 500 million people out of poverty and into the middle class. So did the Soviet Union. The thing is, you can only h…

Here's an interesting article from 2012 on how the PRC government wants people to understand China's economic politics:

http://en.people.cn/100668/102793/7980397.html

> In June 1992, Comrade Jiang Zemin explicitly put forward the concept of "socialist market economic system" for the first time on the basis of Comrade Deng Xiaoping’s southern talk.

Socialist market economy. If the government says it, that means it isn't an oxymoron.

Money quote:

> As Comrade Deng Xiaoping pointed out, "The essence of socialism is to liberate and develop productivity, to eliminate exploitation and polarization, and ultimately achieve common prosperity." The ultimate goal of the reform of socialist market economic system also points to "common prosperity". Therefore China should continue to shape its path for structural reform by this goal. Two aspects of China's economic reform are thus highlighted. The first is to further enhance the efficiency of the market by introducing market mechanisms, and the second is to provide better public service by reforming the means of planned economy, improving the capacity of macro-control and facilitating transformation of government functions since the capacity of public service provision is the primary ability in building a society of "common prosperity".

Market mechanisms in a planned economy. Macro-control (implying micro-invisible hand, I suppose). Common prosperity.

Eh, I snark, but it's an interesting experiment. I just wish it weren't being run in a context where there's no ethics review board.

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currently in Shenzhen - my reaction has been that there are these beutiful malls and buildings that are being built but som feel empty. Sure you could chock it up to an overzelous goverment pouring money into development but you might also take a look at malls in the US that are now empty. The counter examples though are numerous. There are many areas that feel incredibly vibrant, full of buzz and people. The amount of consumerism in China shocked me, even as an American...

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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The current narrative in the u.s. press, including the tech press, is that china is somewhat backward and uncompetitive. Some people even still call them communist. When the reality is quite different, with cutting edge research, products, technology coming out every day. There are cities in china you've never even heard of that have populations bigger than most major u.s. cities. In something like 50 years the Chine…

Maybe something about only allow one child and what not. That seems pretty communist to me.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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The "ghost city" phenomenon always seemed like a good headline, ignoring the real building tragedy going on: poor quality housing, poor city planning, poor urban facilities. I see massive developments going on around me and yes, for a long time they are empty and ghostlike. they slowly fill up, and the urban centers become that bit more unliveable, that bit more crowded etc.

Some of them were (and are) definitely real.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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post #27

The current narrative in the u.s. press, including the tech press, is that china is somewhat backward and uncompetitive. Some people even still call them communist. When the reality is quite different, with cutting edge research, products, technology coming out every day. There are cities in china you've never even heard of that have populations bigger than most major u.s. cities. In something like 50 years the Chine…

Maybe something about only allow one child and what not. That seems pretty communist to me.

Surely the one child policy is more Malthusian than anything else, and Malthus was very far from communist.
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