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Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by zamalek »

mc32 wrote: post #15

Gotta give them credit for being "honest". Of course it plays off on people wanting to appear as eager and not workshy, but this is pretty sadist and I imagine the company is being a bit masochistic in this job market. Who in their right minds would work for people who openly espouse overwork and aggressive work environment? I'd like a follow up on their ability to retain workers, provided they don't get "reeducated"…

> Who in their right minds would work for people who openly espouse overwork and aggressive work environment?

The screencap doesn't have an experience requirement so I am guessing fresh graduates and/or those who never got a BSC and are desperate. We're all laughing at the posting because we probably have had the misfortune to work at a place like that, or know someone who has. There are people who will fall into this type of trap and sadly it's the people who can't afford to.

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by some_furry »

Dewie wrote: post #17
some_furry wrote: post #3

Another reason: "You're primarily interested with salary." Sounds like this company prides itself on overworking their employees and paying them less than what they're worth. (Which is what a lot of companies do , but they aren't proud of it.)

I thought a salary was... you know... the primary thing that separates "a job" from "doing whatever the hell you want". But I guess I'm just not passionate enough to be a slave to other people's enterprises.

> But I guess I'm just not passionate enough to be a slave to other people's enterprises.

I spend a lot of time working on open source. (I never do so at my dayjob.)

The second an open source project demands my time, I shut my computer down and go for a walk. Out of spite, to be truthful. Whatever is wrong, it can wait.

I've rarely ever accepted a request from an employer to stay late to work on something. And when I did, I regretted it later.

I'm passionate by most peoples' standards, and even I wouldn't subject myself to that treatment.

I can't even call people willing to do this masochistic.

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by nhstanley »

littletimmy wrote: post #18
uptown wrote: post #7

Blockai: https://angel.co/blockai/jobs/32805-back-end-engineer PRODUCT Blockai is the first universal blockchain browser. A single platform for using the best blockchain apps, with a bitcoin wallet and social identity to make it simple to use. We’re making it fun to explore and publish on the blockchain, visualized as a filterable stream. The same way that Netscape took people into the world of the web, and built ope…

Wait $100k salary with 6% equity at max sounds not bad at all if you believe in their idea. Although I highly doubt they're a once in a decade opportunity that will be changing the world in a better way.

$100k in SF is laughable (for that kind of commitment). If you're not offering $200k minimum, it's not even worth 60 seconds of consideration. Unless you really really believe in that 6%. But man you really shouldn't.

Edit: To back this up a little more:

To buy a median house in SF you need to make ~$142k.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/08/m...

The 95th percentile in income is WAY higher in SF than anywhere else, and so is the cost of living.

https://twitter.com/conradhackett/status/578004292151341056

My opinion is that if you're not clearly putting me in a comfortable position financially, why would I ever make such a sacrifice?

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by sp332 »

some_furry wrote: post #3

Another reason: "You're primarily interested with salary." Sounds like this company prides itself on overworking their employees and paying them less than what they're worth. (Which is what a lot of companies do , but they aren't proud of it.)

Especially when they say they expect you to do the best work of your life.

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by ufmace »

littletimmy wrote: post #18
uptown wrote: post #7

Blockai: https://angel.co/blockai/jobs/32805-back-end-engineer PRODUCT Blockai is the first universal blockchain browser. A single platform for using the best blockchain apps, with a bitcoin wallet and social identity to make it simple to use. We’re making it fun to explore and publish on the blockchain, visualized as a filterable stream. The same way that Netscape took people into the world of the web, and built ope…

Wait $100k salary with 6% equity at max sounds not bad at all if you believe in their idea. Although I highly doubt they're a once in a decade opportunity that will be changing the world in a better way.

I'm not sure how you're expected to value equity - most of the stuff I find online recommends valuing it at basically zero - or what the market is like in San Fran, but where I live, you can do quite a bit better than $100k and still have work-life balance. So the only real compensation they're selling is the dubious honor of working for yet another startup that thinks it will change the world.

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by littletimmy »

nhstanley wrote: post #24
littletimmy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait $100k salary with 6% equity at max sounds not bad at all if you believe in their idea. Although I highly doubt they're a once in a decade opportunity that will be changing the world in a better way.

$100k in SF is laughable (for that kind of commitment). If you're not offering $200k minimum, it's not even worth 60 seconds of consideration. Unless you really really believe in that 6%. But man you really shouldn't. Edit: To back this up a little more: To buy a median house in SF you need to make ~$142k. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/08/m... The 95th percentile in income is WAY higher in S…

Really? I'm not in San Francisco so perhaps I'm mistaken. How much is the market rate for a good developer with a few years experience?

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by sp332 »

nhstanley wrote: post #24
littletimmy wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait $100k salary with 6% equity at max sounds not bad at all if you believe in their idea. Although I highly doubt they're a once in a decade opportunity that will be changing the world in a better way.

$100k in SF is laughable (for that kind of commitment). If you're not offering $200k minimum, it's not even worth 60 seconds of consideration. Unless you really really believe in that 6%. But man you really shouldn't. Edit: To back this up a little more: To buy a median house in SF you need to make ~$142k. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/08/m... The 95th percentile in income is WAY higher in S…

I guess it depends how much you value the equity.

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by falcolas »

littletimmy wrote: post #18
uptown wrote: post #7

Blockai: https://angel.co/blockai/jobs/32805-back-end-engineer PRODUCT Blockai is the first universal blockchain browser. A single platform for using the best blockchain apps, with a bitcoin wallet and social identity to make it simple to use. We’re making it fun to explore and publish on the blockchain, visualized as a filterable stream. The same way that Netscape took people into the world of the web, and built ope…

Wait $100k salary with 6% equity at max sounds not bad at all if you believe in their idea. Although I highly doubt they're a once in a decade opportunity that will be changing the world in a better way.

$100k for 60+ hour work weeks in San Francisco does not as that great an opportunity. And $100k is the top of the salary range.

Re: “Reasons you shouldn't join us: if you're looking for work-life balance.”

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Post by notahacker »

some_furry wrote: post #3

Another reason: "You're primarily interested with salary." Sounds like this company prides itself on overworking their employees and paying them less than what they're worth. (Which is what a lot of companies do , but they aren't proud of it.)

At least they offer a salary. I'm appalled by the number of startups that think "lunch and expenses" is acceptable compensation for up to 3 months of full time work with a possibility of a salaried position at the end (Bonus points for boasting about funding and how nice the offices are in the ad and expecting the unpaid lackey to meet certain minimum academic standards and have prior commercial experience)
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