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Re: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality finished today

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For those who start reading and wonder when Harry stops being an insufferable little jerk... I'm on chapter 57, now, and he's getting better.

One important thing, for those who find the main character insufferable at times: this is not a simple mary sue story. When you notice Harry doing something dumb, oblivious, overconfident, condescending, etc. do not assume that this is the author's personality leaking through. It may be the intended reading.

I only read a little of it, but every time a character did something dumb, oblivious, overconfident, condescending, I braced myself for a thought missile.

I guess you could say I found it a bit hamfisted.

Re: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality finished today

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I'm very happy about this. I got to around chapter 85, but, due to the author's time constraints, I put it down at that point. I'll have to pick it up and start over. It is well worth the read.

Almost exactly the same for me. I read it when he was on Chapter 87. Looking forward to read the whole thing from start to finish now.

Re: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality finished today

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Well done ! I started reading this - got around to 10 and stopped for a while - and totally forgot about it. It continued and - finally ! - finished. PS: Fellow readers, did it ever stop being awesome and/or become unpleasant from the perspective of the original plot ?

no it never stopped being awesome ! But over time and many plots the focus changed and it became a bit more serious... but its totally worth every minute reading ! its really great!

Re: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality finished today

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I read a bunch of chapters a few years ago and thought it was remarkably horrid.

Mileage varies! I'd like to affirm and congratulate your wise decision to stop reading at that point instead of continuing to torture yourself, and advise against anyone recommending parent to try again or go back. HPMOR is not going to be everyone's cup of tea!

Re: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality finished today

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I read a bunch of chapters a few years ago and thought it was remarkably horrid.

Your comment could be more valuable if it included your reasoning or suggestions for improvement.

I have been following someone's critical chapter-by-chapter criticism of HPMOR for some time now, which might be illustrative. It is admittedly quite long: http://su3su2u1.tumblr.com/tagged/Hariezer-Yudotter/chrono

Among other things, I've often seen people try to sell HPMOR as, "Harry Potter fanfiction in which Harry applies the scientific method to the magical world of Harry Potter!" And that shows up a little [^1] but is by and large not the content of the work. Harry does very few experiments to verify his hypotheses and is actually a broadly incurious character. For example: Harry is nominally interested in eliminating death, but never once investigates the many magical mechanisms which seem to eliminate death, preferring to just talk about it instead. Similarly, he comes up with hypotheses as to how magic works, but never bothers to investigate them beyond speculation.

Additionally, a lot of the "solutions" to problems Harry has are relatively unsatisfying: Harry often circumvents a problem by "clever" applications of the rules, but because the rules of magic as given both in Rowling and in Yudkowsky are ill-defined and even self-contradictory, this seems less clever and more like arbitrary author fiat. Harry is also given a small time machine early on in the plot, and so more often than not, the solution to his problems is, "Use the time-turner again."

Finally, I personally found the writing style to be generally in need of editing—not terrible but certainly not polished—but I consider that to be a smaller problem than the above plot-related issues. EDIT: All this doesn't mean that you shouldn't like it! These are just problems that I had with the work.

[^1]: The bit where Harry tries to experimentally prove that P=NP is probably my favorite part of the entire thing.

Re: Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality finished today

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Well done ! I started reading this - got around to 10 and stopped for a while - and totally forgot about it. It continued and - finally ! - finished. PS: Fellow readers, did it ever stop being awesome and/or become unpleasant from the perspective of the original plot ?

What original plot? It's basically one story from start to finish. Are you talking about the Rowling books?
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