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Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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post #3

This is amazing. Especially in a time that wasn't so obsessed with social-media and celebrity. Why was there no black bar again?

Ah yes, the mythical utopian past, where none of the bad things happening today existed.

especially good in a thread where is topic is a response to a young biracial girl who was feeling left out and actively disliked because of her race.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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Interesting that "Spock" uses a lot of emotional language -- "prejudice", "lonely", "happiness", "frightening", "feel best about himself" -- contrary to the popular conception of Vulcans as an emotionless, logic-above-all race.

Certainly, modern conceptions of Vulcans are a lot more nuanced e.g. they are privately strongly emotional or otherwise have to strongly suppress their emotions. See for example Star Trek (2009) which deals with Spock as a young boy in Vulcan culture, which is eerily reminiscent of this article. Wonder whether Orci, Kurtzman or Abrams read this article before conceiving the 2009 incarnation of Spock?

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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Interesting that "Spock" uses a lot of emotional language -- "prejudice", "lonely", "happiness", "frightening", "feel best about himself" -- contrary to the popular conception of Vulcans as an emotionless, logic-above-all race. Certainly, modern conceptions of Vulcans are a lot more nuanced e.g. they are privately strongly emotional or otherwise have to strongly suppress their emotions. See for example Star Trek (200…

Remember that Spock is half-human, and tends to be at his most compelling as a character when he is struggling with his two halves.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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Interesting that "Spock" uses a lot of emotional language -- "prejudice", "lonely", "happiness", "frightening", "feel best about himself" -- contrary to the popular conception of Vulcans as an emotionless, logic-above-all race. Certainly, modern conceptions of Vulcans are a lot more nuanced e.g. they are privately strongly emotional or otherwise have to strongly suppress their emotions. See for example Star Trek (200…

Actually, the fact that young Spock was an outcast was already established by the early '70's thanks to the animated series’ episode “Yesteryear”, written by D. C. Fontana. For the most part, this was only episode of that series that was considered canon until ST: Enterprise incorporated more of that series into official lore.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly in the atheism movement movement there's 'freethinkers'. It annoys me that being a freethinker is just subscribing to another labelled group with a doctrine, as opposed to being a free thinker. A small space makes a lot of semantic difference.

Atheism is not a doctrine any more than not believing in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy is a doctrine. It is possible that there are doctrines within atheism but atheism itself is not one. I'm not bothered about the term free thinker and wouldn't necessarily have linked it with atheism.

I'm aware atheism isn't a doctrine - I said within atheism. Albeit said with an annoying double-word typo. :/

Anyway, if you don't think 'freethinker' is linked to atheism, throw the word into google and skim the results.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While the case you describe might have been an accident, the big problem with the marketing-surveillance state Internet is becoming is that someone somewhen may - or maybe already did - decide to run such ads on purpose. After all, what's a better market for diet pills than people suffering from bulimia or anorexia? What's a better market for anti-depressants than people with suicidal thoughts?

I don't get your last example - getting antidepressants to people with suicidal thoughts sounds great to me. In any case, while I have no doubt that people have and will continue to make such decisions, I doubt they will become the norm - they're too prone to lawsuits, and too inefficient. Instead, Google et all will continue to develop algorithms that detect and exploit those correlations from raw data, so that no o…

It sounds great on its surface, but antidepressants have a common side effect of increased suicidal tendencies.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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Interesting that "Spock" uses a lot of emotional language -- "prejudice", "lonely", "happiness", "frightening", "feel best about himself" -- contrary to the popular conception of Vulcans as an emotionless, logic-above-all race. Certainly, modern conceptions of Vulcans are a lot more nuanced e.g. they are privately strongly emotional or otherwise have to strongly suppress their emotions. See for example Star Trek (200…

Ever since late Ds9, vulcans have become more and more angry and racist. ST:Enterprise was full of angry vulcans.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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post #7

The fact that he wrote this in 1968 is really amazing. How many people in 1968 would not have felt compelled to respond to the girl in a compassionate way?

I'm less impressed by Mr. Nimoy here, considering that his colleagues would perform the first interracial kiss on-screen later that year, and more bothered that substituting "1968" with "today" in your question doesn't make the answer obvious either.

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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post #2

Am I alone in finding the irony in... Be IN start a fad ...the ad next to the article?

For further reading / enlightenment:

Jerry Mander, Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television

Niel Postman, Amusing Ourselves to Death and Technopoly.

Gill Scott-Heron: "The Revolution Will Not be Televised"

Re: Leonard Nimoy's Advice to a Biracial Girl in 1968

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always enjoyed the irony in the 1970's Dr Pepper ads that exhorted people to join the non-conformists.

Yup. Reminds me of a quote: "Revolution has already been televised. Revolution has been merchandised . Revolution is a commodity, a packaged lifestyle, available at your local mall. $19.95 gets you the black mask, the spray can, the "Crush the Fascists" protest sign, and access to your blog where you can write about the police brutality you suffered when you chained yourself to a fire hydrant. Capitalism has learned…

Katz's version of Scott-Heron's classic is excellent. Thanks for that.
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