it's really good to see more womyn fighting the patriarchy.
Female Founders Conference – Live Stream [video]
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Please avoid introducing classic flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say about them." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Carefull critisism of the basic idea of an event like this without trying to start a flame war is somthing that should be allowed though. We all know that things like these are issues that are part of a bigger issue (the lack of women in tech). But all issues surounding something like this should be addressed. Even if the critisism is pointed at attempts at solving/adressing these issues. Like the trowaway account sa…
Segregation is not harmful in itself. It depends on how it's applied. It's easy to see that this doesn't map to Jim Crow, and a lot of disingenuous people try to make it map anyway to serve their own agenda.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Careful, logic in general and criticizing reparatory discrimination in particular will get you downvoted.
Passive aggression will do so as well.
Oh, you'd be surprised what gets one downvoted in here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9085796
(yes, I was offending at least 5 downvoters by showing how I patched some kernel modules written in C even though my expertise is elsewhere)
Re: Female Founders Conference – Live Stream [video]
#24Jessica Livingston is giving a killer talk. I love her point of view as a non-technical partner at YC and her huge role as a judge of character
Exactly. I think a lot of us nerds underestimate how vital of a skill that is, to be able to evaluate personal skills of a person. Someone could be a great programmer, but if he can't work well with others he'll be more of a detriment to the team rather than being helpful.
I really liked her take on her judging interactions, especially during the technical conversations. I think having an outside (even slightly outside) perspective is incredibly useful
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#26Maybe it'd be helpful to not discriminate against other genders and have other gender specific conferences too. Maybe we can divide the groups by race too. You know, so people are comfortable. Maybe I am too simple but I do no understand segregation. Neither do I understand "reverse" discrimination; for the lack of a better choice of words. Anytime you have something going on where if you reverse the "minority" with "majority" labels and the result sounds bad, I feel like the original was bad too.
For down voters: Please feel free to leave a comment explaining your stands.
Also, people who are interested in the ideas of removing bias, scientifically backed arguments exist. The touchy-feely-ride-the-trend ones are just more talked about. It's like picking the color of a bike shed. Here's an interesting talk titled Unconscious Bias @ Work | Google Ventures. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLjFTHTgEVU
Re: Female Founders Conference – Live Stream [video]
#27Maybe it'd be helpful to not discriminate against other genders and have other gender specific conferences too. Maybe we can divide the groups by race too. You know, so people are comfortable. Maybe I am too simple but I do no understand segregation. Neither do I understand "reverse" discrimination; for the lack of a better choice of words. Anytime you have something going on where if you reverse the "minority" with…
Presumably there are things they would like to talk about that are not interesting to others. For instance, maybe childbirth and pregnancy are something they care about. Honestly, maybe some things that are not as important to non-founders and men.
It's just a different forum. The same way we don't discuss mountain climbing on debian-dev. Anyway, that said, that's not why I considered down modding. It's because this argument plays out each time and it's annoying. It's another vi v. Emacs. So let's try to get something even slightly more novel out of this.
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#28Maybe it'd be helpful to not discriminate against other genders and have other gender specific conferences too. Maybe we can divide the groups by race too. You know, so people are comfortable. Maybe I am too simple but I do no understand segregation. Neither do I understand "reverse" discrimination; for the lack of a better choice of words. Anytime you have something going on where if you reverse the "minority" with…
Presumably there are things they would like to talk about that are not interesting to others. For instance, maybe childbirth and pregnancy are something they care about. Honestly, maybe some things that are not as important to non-founders and men. It's just a different forum. The same way we don't discuss mountain climbing on debian-dev. Anyway, that said, that's not why I considered down modding. It's because this…
I differ on your take that that would be a vi vs emacs because it's not. Essentially, you're saying, it's a preference, choice, which this certainly is not. From a philosophical perspective, this kind of segregation is dangerous. I can see why it's attractive in the short-term. Indeed it may have short-term benefits, but it masks a problem, rather than fixes it. Essentially, a portion of society is saying, that part of society is not behaving well, so we'll form our own community and serve ourselves. I think that undermines the desire to improve the whole of society. The other part can keep on misbehaving, why should they bother recognizing their faults, the other is making it go away for them.
This kind of self organization underscores differences and magnifies them. So instead of saying entrepreneurs can raise capital this way, it's men can raise capital this way, or women can raise capital that way. So you get a bifurcation. And I don't know that that is a thing to be desired.
I think the oft quoted line from Parcifal, is apropos "die Wunde schliesst der Speer nur, der sie schlug." That is to say, the wound can only be healed by the spear which smote it.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Carefull critisism of the basic idea of an event like this without trying to start a flame war is somthing that should be allowed though. We all know that things like these are issues that are part of a bigger issue (the lack of women in tech). But all issues surounding something like this should be addressed. Even if the critisism is pointed at attempts at solving/adressing these issues. Like the trowaway account sa…
That was my initial reaction as well when I first heard about such an event. What's the point in segregating when there is already a segregation? But then I thought why even bother in which context an event with good intentions is held and as someone who favors utilitarianism I felt a little stupid that this wasn't my initial thought. From what I've heard these kind of events do have success, and the main motivation…
More broadly, the point is creating safe space for learning and development. It's harder to develop new ways of being in an environment that reinforces the old ones.
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Exactly. I think a lot of us nerds underestimate how vital of a skill that is, to be able to evaluate personal skills of a person. Someone could be a great programmer, but if he can't work well with others he'll be more of a detriment to the team rather than being helpful.
There's a lot of interesting research on "judging character". I particularly recall reading in "Thinking, Fast and Slow" (Kahneman) that subjective judgement was consistently worse than even relatively arbitrary objective judgements. I believe this study was conducted in army recruitment and so obviously may not be universal. Very thought-provoking notetheless. EDIT: ... that's not to cast any aspersions on any parti…
The vibe I get is that it isn't character they're really trying to judge. They're really trying to calculate whether a person is palatable to downstream players. I think there's likely some market risk associated with various personalities and they need to address it somehow even if there's no quantitative approach.
A wild experiment would be to test their judgment system by planting a few charming serial killers in their "character judgment" sample pool. My hypothesis is that the charming serial killers would pass at a higher rate.