Do you plan to integrate with e-mail? I would like to have e-mails sendt to special adresses displayed in the group chat.
That is exactly how jaconda.im is working now, everybody in the room can send emails into the room.
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#22Do you plan to integrate with e-mail? I would like to have e-mails sendt to special adresses displayed in the group chat.
That is exactly how jaconda.im is working now, everybody in the room can send emails into the room.
Cool! Do you use Telegram as a backend for jaconda.im as well? If so, then it's also cool to see somebody giving Slack some competition with a more open backend server.
Re: Jaconda – Integrate your Telegram with services
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Jaconda.im started as XMPP-based messenger hence the name – Jabber Conference derivative. And it does work with XMPP. Nothing changed in this regard. However after Google Talk was replaced with proprietary Hangouts protocol we had to look for other options. Telegram fits our concept just right. Let's see what other people think. You are welcome to participate.
Are you aware that Google XMPP servers still support federation? (I tried just that the other week) I don't see how you _had to_ look for other options (still: I agree how looking at other options is the wise thing to do, given that Google+XMPP seems to be a -very- slowly sinking ship)
What do you gain there?
People that moved to Hangouts aren't available on GTalk (the xmpp part). I run my own XMPP server, people that have ancient Android 2.x mobiles and don't buy into the G+ nonsense can talk to me. People with more modern systems/that 'upgraded' to Hangout cannot.
Since my server cannot magically filter these people I came to the conclusion that Google _doesn't_ support xmpp, federation or not, for most of their users anymore.
(If you manage to access GTalk again, for example by running the GTalk thingy in GMail/the browser, you can talk to me again. I've got a hard time making my friends do that to contact me)
For all intents and purposes Google's XMPP support is broken.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you aware that Google XMPP servers still support federation? (I tried just that the other week) I don't see how you _had to_ look for other options (still: I agree how looking at other options is the wise thing to do, given that Google+XMPP seems to be a -very- slowly sinking ship)
What do you gain there? People that moved to Hangouts aren't available on GTalk (the xmpp part). I run my own XMPP server, people that have ancient Android 2.x mobiles and don't buy into the G+ nonsense can talk to me. People with more modern systems/that 'upgraded' to Hangout cannot. Since my server cannot magically filter these people I came to the conclusion that Google _doesn't_ support xmpp, federation or not, f…
> People that moved to Hangouts aren't available on GTalk (the xmpp part). I run my own XMPP server, people that have ancient Android 2.x mobiles and don't buy into the G+ nonsense can talk to me. People with more modern systems/that 'upgraded' to Hangout cannot.
True, but this is "only" a client problem. What is first and foremost important is the support server-side.
This ugly situation is just like if everyone suddenly decided en-masse to stop using their XMPP client of choice.
This is partly "waking up to reality" for the XMPP community, partly a huge tragedy for the lack of diversity in how people (used to) communicate over XMPP
...but none of these thing would impede Jaconda's users to receive notifications on their desktop or their mobile.
(If anything, I'd consider developers (Jaconda's users) more likely to have an actual XMPP client, rather than strictly relying only on what Google provides by default)
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#26Looks cool :) I hadn't heard of Telegram before, so I'll have to check this out. One note is that to me "Over a 100 of integrations" reads very strangely and should be "Over a hundred integrations." Perhaps that's just my preference though.
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#27Looks cool :) I hadn't heard of Telegram before, so I'll have to check this out. One note is that to me "Over a 100 of integrations" reads very strangely and should be "Over a hundred integrations." Perhaps that's just my preference though.
A little something to catch-up: http://unhandledexpression.com/2013/12/17/telegram-stand-bac... http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta... http://www.alexrad.me/discourse/a-264-attack-on-telegram-and...
Awesome. Thanks!
Re: Jaconda – Integrate your Telegram with services
#28"Messages are heavily encrypted". WTF does that mean? I guess that's Telegram's approach to security. Lightweight, correct, encryption does not work for them. They prefer heavyweight and incorrect.
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#29This looks really interesting. I'd like to see it as a more open platform and not just for telegram.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why people have seemingly abandoned vanilla XMPP. It's a great, flexible, powerful, and yes standard and open, protocol.
XMPP is great for what it was designed for. It doesn't work well with mobile, high packet loss & high latency connections. XMPP is talkative and bandwidth intensive - bad for limited data/battery applications. It also wasn't designed for today's 1 person multiple devices reality. Most XMPP servers let you log in multiple times but messages don't sync between clients and sometimes get delivered to the client the user isnt currently in front of.
Also, sending files over XMPP has pretty much always sucked - there are a bunch of incompatible ways to do it and it's always been hit and miss depending on which client your chat partner was using, network topography, etc.
More from the project: https://core.telegram.org/techfaq#q-why-did-you-go-for-a-cus...
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#30stop fucking using telegram