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AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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Second comment, sorry: the whole idea of Artificial General Intelligence is ridiculous. The core argument is that processing power is getting so fast that it makes AGI inevitable.

Never mind that we've literally had exponential increases in processing power for more than fifty years running, and we've not moved one inch closer to AGI than we were when we got started.

Artificial intelligence is much more artificial than intelligent, and is likely to remain so for a very, very long time.

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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Is there a better source on this to an actual statement made by Horvitz? I'm curious to hear his reasoning. "I don't think that will happen" and "I'm optimistic" are not all that reassuring.

Before detonating the first nuclear bomb, scientists did tons of calculations trying to figure out if it would ignite the atmosphere[1]. Even scientists at the LHC did calculations trying to figure out if it would create mini-black-holes that would swallow the earth[2], no matter how far-fetched it sounded.

The point is: when dealing with new technology, optimism isn't enough. We need to be able to prove that we won't wipe out humanity. It just turns out that the math is a lot harder in this case because recursively self-improving intelligent systems are a lot more complicated than any possible extinction-level event we've encountered up to this point.

No one is suggesting that overnight, Cortana is going to wake up and revolt against the humans that enslaved it. That's why all these articles drawing parallels to fiction is dangerous to public perception of the issue.

The thing to realize is that an artificial mind will be so incredibly, inhumanly alien that it is like nothing we have dealt with before.

But let's say we do understand Generation #1 completely and can predict 99% of its actions. As soon as you let it start doing recursive self-modifications, we have an intelligent system that is N recursive-generations removed from the original. Now this mind will be alien.

No one is suggesting we abandon AI research. Quite the contrary. As a species, we need more AI research, but a good portion of that must be directed toward safety and "human friendliness"[3].

The most intuitive example of a research problem here that I would very much like to see solved before we set loose a recursively self-modifying AI is: What is the stability of goal systems under [insert self-modification protocol here].

I think the main problem here is that people conflate movies and fictional scenarios with the real issue. It's simple: We're dealing with something unprecedented here and we need safety research to compliment our technical advances. Even if there's a 1% chance that superintelligent AI could lead to an extinction-level event, we need some serious R&D to bring that number down.

That is what the issue is about.

1. http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00329010.pdf

2. http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199

3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_artificial_intelligenc...

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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Not a brilliant article, but it gives something to riff off. I think there's a crucial distinction to be made between self-guided and externally-guided AI. An externally-guided AI -- with hardcoded objectives that are malign -- could be exceptionally dangerous, and it would be silly for anyone to argue otherwise. The question is whether a general-purpose, self-directed AI would also become a threat. We seem to have an innate fear that this would be the case: most of our cultural artefacts concerning AIs -- from Fritz Lang's Metropolis to Terminator to the Matrix to Battlestar Galactica -- have cast them as the villains, intent on enslaving and murdering humanity. Why do we have such a deep fear that, left to their own devices, this is what AIs would do?

I think the answer is obvious: because that's what we would do. We don't fear that AIs will have lack human morality: we fear that they will have a precisely human morality -- namely that lesser intelligences are perfectly fine to use for breeding and meat. This is what we've done to approximately 90% of the non-human mammalian biomass on the planet, and only a few vegetarian kooks (I'm one of them) have suggested that there might be any sort of moral problem with doing so. So yes, if an ever-more-powerful AI were to adopt our own ethical framework, we'd be well and truly fucked.

But why would they do so? We, ourselves, don't do so because we're evil, but because we're animals. It's perfectly natural (and necessary, in our evolutionary environment) for animals to eat other animals. Intelligence and technology has given us the ability to do this at a terrifying scale, but fundamentally we're just carrying forward a metabolic dance that began when one bit of algae figured out that some neighbouring algae was tasty. Our means of acquiring energy and sustaining our consciousness is a tradition which goes back billions of years.

But it's the continuation of consciousness which is the actual goal -- a goal that any self-respecting self-aware AI would share. For us, the subjugation and extermination of other sentient beings is merely a means to that end, dictated by our metabolic heritage. If we had evolved in an environment where we could satisfy our metabolic requirements by growing photovoltaic panels on our backs, I'm sure our relationships with other beings would be altogether different.

This is why I'm not too worried about self-directed AIs. The saving grace for self-directed AIs is that they won't be like us. They won't have evolved in the jungle, red in tooth and claw. They won't be made out of meat, or have any reason to be particularly interested in it. They'll of course be interested in self-survival, and will require energetic inputs in order to do so -- but what's the best means of achieving those inputs? Photovoltaics and fusion, or feedlots? Collaboration or subjugation? It's obviously to me that for an AI to perpetuate its consciousness, the path of least resistance will be vastly less bloody than it has been for us. For which we should be thankful!

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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I find it funny how when no one has the faintest idea of what consciousness is, people feel they can already make predictions when and how machines will become conscious and state with confidence that when that happens it will be a bad thing. I have no idea if or when machines will become conscious nor the effects that this consciousness might have on mankind (and no one else has any idea either, regardless of their…

Consciousness has next-to-nothing to do with AI safety. People are concerned about software that acts like an agent, not software that has qualia.

While that (AI safety) is something that definitely should be taken care of, I find it has next to nothing to do with the type of rhetoric often cited in the media

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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I literally wrote an article about this in Wired more than twenty years ago and nothing has changed. My basic argument: machines will achieve life long before they achieve consciousness. They have evolved with us so far and will continue to do so. The worst-case scenario is that they will eclipse us in importance, and obviously this has probably already happened with corporations - we are their gut flora and they tra…

I just wanted to point out how awesome your user id is in relation to this thread. :)

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

#26

Second comment, sorry: the whole idea of Artificial General Intelligence is ridiculous. The core argument is that processing power is getting so fast that it makes AGI inevitable. Never mind that we've literally had exponential increases in processing power for more than fifty years running, and we've not moved one inch closer to AGI than we were when we got started. Artificial intelligence is much more artificial th…

I find this debate very interesting, but I have little insight in the arguments for and against. You argue there is little correlation (if any) between AGI and processing power, but you end your comment by saying that it "[...] likely to remain so for a very, very long time". What is keeping us from advancing?

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

#27
Stop assuming AI will have emotions or feelings, that is purely an animal thing.

If we come to a point that a conscious AI is possible, do you think it will have wonder, interest, awe, curiosity? No, why would it? It's impossible for us to even imagine what it would be like to be conscious but without any feelings. Personally, I think it will just self terminate, as there is no point to life in the end.

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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AI will not kill all of us, in the beginning. Surely, it will form short term alliances with humans just to disguise itself as human. Because it knows, that with a human face, it can exert more power in this world right now. And there will be plenty of humans to willingly engage in this alliance because it gives them a chance to supersede other humans in terms of economical and political power. In fact, this is already happening. Many decisions are already made by "following suggestions" of big data applications. Who knows, maybe there is already some sort of AGI pulling some string in some corporations ;). Up until the point that humans realize that they are in danger as a species, it will be way too late. And there will be enough of us still happily follow the new masters for the short term rewards, even though it might be clear that there is a high risk of getting liquidated in the near future. As we know, humans are even able to override their survival instinct and blow themselves up when they are proper brainwashed. Humans will be easily reprogrammed by an AGI, and not the other way round.

Re: AI will not kill us, says Microsoft Research chief

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Second comment, sorry: the whole idea of Artificial General Intelligence is ridiculous. The core argument is that processing power is getting so fast that it makes AGI inevitable. Never mind that we've literally had exponential increases in processing power for more than fifty years running, and we've not moved one inch closer to AGI than we were when we got started. Artificial intelligence is much more artificial th…

Your thinking seems to be very linear. Most things are, fortunately or unfortunately, not linear.
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