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Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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It bums me out some to see the standard-bearer for private offices in our profession showing us floor-to-ceiling glass walls in a panopticon arc, "not as creepy as you think"[1]. The Overton window's shifted so far to the cage-free side that privacy isn't even in our frame? OK, a few companies still believe in offices with walls.

I don't doubt that it's a fine place to work, likely nicer than the cubicles I've worked in, though maybe not better than my home office. But they're clearly not private.

[1] From a caption on the original version of the page.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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One thing I don't understand -- in this time of laptops, tablets and ubiquitous internet access (whether in-office wi-fi or the mobile broadband), why do we still have this discussion? Are there any companies out there who have a heterogeneous office layout, with open-space areas, single-person rooms and anything in between which could then be used by anyone to their own preference? I would like to see a setup where…

The Stack Exchange office has a number of open areas where folks can (and do) work if they bring their laptop along. As a developer, though, I like my multiple monitors, my keyboard, etc. Once in a while a change in the environment is nice, but most times I find not working with my optimized setup is more annoying than anything.

(Mind you, since our teams are distributed, there's often no such thing as "working together in a small-group environment" that doesn't involve being on a hangout, and everyone being in a private office helps immensely with that.)

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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One thing I don't understand -- in this time of laptops, tablets and ubiquitous internet access (whether in-office wi-fi or the mobile broadband), why do we still have this discussion? Are there any companies out there who have a heterogeneous office layout, with open-space areas, single-person rooms and anything in between which could then be used by anyone to their own preference? I would like to see a setup where…

A private office, you can adapt to your own needs and practices. The arrangement you describe has advantages, but so does a space you can customize.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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The thing to consider here is Stack Exchange is a company that serves geeks, and is built by geeks. Naturally the culture and values of the company are going revolve around developers. But for a huge chunk of the companies out there everything revolves around sales and marketing. The actual role and importance of developers varies from company to company but very few of them are going to revolve around them in the sa…

I do agree with what you're saying. However whenever any popular startup's offices are posted a lot of developers/coders down fawn over it, so there does seem to be a lot of developers who seem to like the concept of an open plan office even if they'd regret it once they actually started working there.

Yeah it's not a hard rule, some people like it. Personally I have no problem with either layout and can adapt. But with most of the people I've worked with over the years, the constant interruptions and people looking over your shoulder drives them nuts.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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It bums me out some to see the standard-bearer for private offices in our profession showing us floor-to-ceiling glass walls in a panopticon arc, "not as creepy as you think"[1]. The Overton window's shifted so far to the cage-free side that privacy isn't even in our frame? OK, a few companies still believe in offices with walls. I don't doubt that it's a fine place to work, likely nicer than the cubicles I've worked…

Seriously, that looks like a developer zoo, and would make me twitchy and paranoid all the time.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#26

The thing to consider here is Stack Exchange is a company that serves geeks, and is built by geeks. Naturally the culture and values of the company are going revolve around developers. But for a huge chunk of the companies out there everything revolves around sales and marketing. The actual role and importance of developers varies from company to company but very few of them are going to revolve around them in the sa…

Consultants are also part of the problem. I did a Master's degree that shared half its classes with the MBA, and we had some case studies where a consultant was the hero by literally tearing down a wall between sales and operations (the small company had communication and "empathy" issues). I always end up linking to this summary of Chapter 12 of Peopleware: http://javatroopers.com/Peopleware.html#Chapter_12

I'm reminded of an old Dilbert comic--which I can't seem to find online--where the CEO or consultant is hailed as visionary by alternately proposing "centralize everything which is decentralized" and "decentralize everything which is centralized."

I guess that could be applied to physical space...

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#27

It bums me out some to see the standard-bearer for private offices in our profession showing us floor-to-ceiling glass walls in a panopticon arc, "not as creepy as you think"[1]. The Overton window's shifted so far to the cage-free side that privacy isn't even in our frame? OK, a few companies still believe in offices with walls. I don't doubt that it's a fine place to work, likely nicer than the cubicles I've worked…

The glass walls would be more tolerable if the mid-section was opaque/frosted glass, so you still get the light but you also get a degree of privacy.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#28
Am I the only one that considers lunch to be a sacred, personal time that I don't want to spend on small talk with coworkers? I need my lunch break to recover from the day's stress and pace, so I can come back refreshed and ready to code for 4-5 more hours. As an introvert, I find the team lunches to be waay more stressful than actual work, and that eliminates any benefits of a nicely cooked meal. If I end up in a team lunch situation, I find it hard to be productive for the rest of the day (unless I take a separate mini-lunch break by myself later).

The situation was especially bad at one recent job where the lunch conversations always revolved around local sports, which I had no interest in, or this guy remodeling his house, which was only interesting the first 3 times he gave us an update. So I started bringing sandwiches to work, parking in the garage beneath the building, and eating lunch all alone in my car in the dark, listening to NPR or just enjoying the silence. It was the most refreshing hour of my workday and I felt 200% more productive after that break than I would after 30 minutes of small talk about sports.

I just want to point this out to people who think team lunches should be mandatory. Not everyone enjoys them equally, and it's not always just about the food.

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

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post #13

There is another possibility, that all offices are fundamentally flawed creations designed not to foster work so much as to create a dynamic of control. When you pay someone and you control both their place and time for over 1/3 of their daily life, there are inherent problems. I'm not sure that any office plan is ever going to be super ideal because of the fundamental problems of power and control that come with an…

Businesses exist to make money, not just to give people in power a place to harumph about. More productivity IS important, because without that, businesses are losing out on potential income, and that's not what businesses like to do.

However, there are huge agency problems between the stated goals of a business (mainly, to make money for its shareholders), and the CEOs interests - where ego, power, and making money for himself might be more important than long-term decisions involving productivity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm

Apparently most relocations are closer to the CEOs home, for example:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8604202

New buildings are also monuments to the CEO (or President, or whatever authority builds it).

Re: Why We Still Believe in Private Offices

#30

One thing I don't understand -- in this time of laptops, tablets and ubiquitous internet access (whether in-office wi-fi or the mobile broadband), why do we still have this discussion? Are there any companies out there who have a heterogeneous office layout, with open-space areas, single-person rooms and anything in between which could then be used by anyone to their own preference? I would like to see a setup where…

Have you actually worked in an environment like that? In my experience, hoteling as the only option is deeply unpleasant. People like to have a single place to go. They like to have a desk they can personalize. They like to have a place they can leave their stuff overnight.

If you only provide hoteling, I think the majority of people will just claim a desk as theirs, and you effectively have no hoteling at all.

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