It also explains that the best programmers are, American or Indian(http://www.devbattles.com/en/sand/post-504-)
Why India outsourcing is doomed
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#22From my (not so big) experience:
Best things to outsource are those with well defined requirements, with not many refinements to be done (or that can be done internally)
The bandwidth is reduced, so it's not like the person is next to you. But with good requirements (and an agile development) this can work
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#23It also explains that the best programmers are, American or Indian( http://www.devbattles.com/en/sand/post-504- )
So all you non-Americans and non-Indians - now you know!
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#24Oh not this stupid argument again. Many problems he mentions aren't specific to India, you'll find them across all developing economies (We had most of the same issues contracting work to a Chinese and Brazilian company).
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And some companies are clearly okay with said cheap work. There's a reason the IT industry in Hyderabad/B'lore is booming. Want solid contracting work without slackers? Sure, you can still find plenty of those too in India (thoughtworks?) but pay up (albeit less than what you may have to in the valley). The reason you're outsourcing core-work/parts of it to India should be that you can't find enough talent locally; not for getting it done cheaply or because your in-house developers think the work is 'beneath' them (I've seen this happen way often, dev with inflated ego doesn't want to test. Wants to do a cold hand-off and expects the cheap developers to be on his level and take dirty work off his hands. Starts cursing). So, there's probably room for both (cheap and expensive) industries in India. Unfortunately, you might have to expend more effort before you find the company that fits your needs.
Articles like these insinuate nothing but Xenophobia and racism. More often than not, Indians are always on the receiving end of it despite contributing so much to the software industry in general. The author from Ukraine of all places probably wants soviet like discipline and work-ethic for USSR salaries? Yeah, ain't gonna happen comrade. The employees on the other-end aren't stupid either. They have many friends in the US making bank working at Google/FB. Why would they work their balls off for peanuts?
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#25I get a login screen, not an article, from this link.
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#26Not sure why the author seems to insinuate that the problems he/she has described are somehow specific to India. We had a disaster when we outsourced a large piece of design work to Denmark. We found out that the outsourcer in Denmark was themselves outsourcing chunks of work to Ukraine. Our bias assuming that an expensive Scandinavian outsourcer would be magically better than a cheaper Asian alternative led us astra…
We outsource successfully. But we have a 1 on 1 relationship with each developer outside our company. So no fooling us about whom it is doing the work. It takes real work to manage any developer. Its an illusion to think outsourcing solve all the problems. We think of it as simply a recruitment tool really. Not that we hire all the developers we work with. But the outsourcing company is only there to bring in talent…
Just for the training phase. You should expect to be axed in few months.
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#28Oh not this stupid argument again. Many problems he mentions aren't specific to India, you'll find them across all developing economies (We had most of the same issues contracting work to a Chinese and Brazilian company). At the end of the day, you get what you pay for. And some companies are clearly okay with said cheap work. There's a reason the IT industry in Hyderabad/B'lore is booming. Want solid contracting wor…
Your post contains more xenophobia than the article, "comrade"
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#29Some parts of this post are true, some are straight wrong. To let you know I worked for a Major Indian IT services firm for over 5 years. >>with no innovation and nothing to offer other than questionable rate savings. Most of the big IT services firms have very elaborate and very active community of people who innovate all the time. In fact if you are working with any moderately big outsourcing firm, they will likely…
"Most of the big IT services firms have very elaborate and very active community of people who innovate all the time." I really , REALLY doubt that. Or you don't know what innovation is. It's not about India, it's about the companies and the mentality.
>>Or you don't know what innovation is.
May be I don't.
>>It's not about India, it's about the companies and the mentality.
It's not about companies either. Its largely about which project you are going to work for. I'm pretty sure even at Google there are a lot of 'keep the wheels running' kind of projects. And there might be a lot of politics too.
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