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Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Re: Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Post by stangeek »

pentateu wrote: post #14
stangeek wrote: post #2

I like some of the ideas in the CLI (live reloading on both platforms, live dom editing etc.), but indeed this is very much Ionic + Firebase-like 3 way binding bundled into a nice packaging. Not sure I see the benefit vs. Ionic in itself to be honest.

Ionic has no runtime.. you have to use cordova/phonegap which sucks big time. Supersonic has its own runtimes for iOS and Android that have much more features and are way faster... + they are compatible with Cordova/Phonegap plugins

Thanks for the explanation.

I have developed several more or less complex apps with Ionic and have yet to see a performance issues on "recent" devices (ie. >4S). But still it's an interesting idea.

One comment: if you have used Ionic purely for UI, maybe you can make this part more modular? eg. giving the ability to use Material UI might be interesting...

Re: Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Post by Illniyar »

harsaz wrote: post #13
stangeek wrote: post #2

I like some of the ideas in the CLI (live reloading on both platforms, live dom editing etc.), but indeed this is very much Ionic + Firebase-like 3 way binding bundled into a nice packaging. Not sure I see the benefit vs. Ionic in itself to be honest.

The big unique thing is the native UI and navigation – instead of running a single WebView and doing everything in the DOM, we actually shuffle around multiple WebViews by leveraging the native navigation controllers (and native UI elements like navigation bar). This means that you can e.g. have your details view running in the device memory even when it's not visible. Then, when you click on a link on your index pag…

If each tab is a different WebView, how is angular working between tabs (I.E. updating something in one tab being reflected in another tab, or similar)?

Is each WebView contain a different bootstrapped angular? are you using some kind of "parent" WebView and communicating between WebViews (I'm not sure how two-way binding will work in this case) ?

Re: Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Post by paulbennett »

pavlov wrote: post #5

Frameworks upon frameworks upon frameworks, running in a platform-dependent embedded mobile browser, wrapped together with AppGyver-specific API thunks for accessing some native functionality in a non-standard way. There's tremendous impedance mismatch at every layer here. I don't feel these deeply convoluted stacks are ever the right way to build a mobile app... Unless perhaps in the situation where you're already f…

I agree with the second paragraph. It seems that we're constantly pushing to make developing mobile apps easier for people with a web front-end background, in doing so tying them into using a stack of frameworks that in my opinion is far enough removed from 'web' that it loses sight of the core advantage - that it is easier to learn and develop with than the 'native' alternatives.

I wonder if by the time you get to this stage you wouldn't be better off investing the time in actually learning the native languages and toolsets provided with them. I am also concerned about how much you would be tied into doing things the, in this case, Supersonic way. The scaffolding for example looks interesting, but is it actually useful in a real-world application?

I don't have experience with Supersonic, I do have experience with AngularJS + Cordova mobile apps (I built the front-end of the RuneScape Companion app) - and I think if I were faced with building a similar app again I would think very very carefully about investing time into learning a stack of frameworks such as this.

Re: Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Post by xtrumanx »

harsaz wrote: post #13
stangeek wrote: post #2

I like some of the ideas in the CLI (live reloading on both platforms, live dom editing etc.), but indeed this is very much Ionic + Firebase-like 3 way binding bundled into a nice packaging. Not sure I see the benefit vs. Ionic in itself to be honest.

The big unique thing is the native UI and navigation – instead of running a single WebView and doing everything in the DOM, we actually shuffle around multiple WebViews by leveraging the native navigation controllers (and native UI elements like navigation bar). This means that you can e.g. have your details view running in the device memory even when it's not visible. Then, when you click on a link on your index pag…

One of the things I like about Cordova/Ionic is that its just like regular web development. I can for the most part develop with a browser and be assured everything will work the same on the emulator/phone.

Since Supersonic is using multiple WebViews, how would that affect my usual workflow?

Re: Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Post by woadwarrior01 »

yoka187 wrote: post #16
pavlov wrote: post #5

Frameworks upon frameworks upon frameworks, running in a platform-dependent embedded mobile browser, wrapped together with AppGyver-specific API thunks for accessing some native functionality in a non-standard way. There's tremendous impedance mismatch at every layer here. I don't feel these deeply convoluted stacks are ever the right way to build a mobile app... Unless perhaps in the situation where you're already f…

The only browser you can run on iOS is the Mobile Safari, which is ok. Apple is slowly bringing in WKWebView which will be even better than Mobile Safari (there are still some issues apple has to crack though). And when it comes to Android devices, AppGyver works with Intel and crosswalk is used to bring unified experience on all devices. Crosswalk is fork of the newest chromium codebase. Check out https://crosswalk-…

Are you talking about UIWebView (rather than Mobile Safari)? And WKWebView is already available in iOS 8. The biggest thing that WKWebView brings to the table is JIT for JS which previously was available only to Mobile Safari and not to applications using UIWebkit. It does this by running an isolated process pool for rendering web content.

Re: Supersonic: New UI Hybrid Framework – Ionic, AngularJS, Cordova

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Post by 887 »

Is it just me or did anyone else stop immediatly at this sentence on the get started page? "Create a free AppGyver account"

Ionic didn't need me to create an account and everything you list in this news title i can use without an account. Ionic also begins their getting started with "Install Ionic" so the fork part was even more misleading. I immediately got disapointed.

I don't know but every time i run into an "accountwall" within the first 10 seconds i immediately turn away and loose all interest.

I also wouldn't call something where i need to give any information to evaluate it "free".

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