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Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's.

So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care.

I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in the browser. That's fine, but by then I will have bothered buying a newer, more powerful laptop, and the browser-engines will be even more improved and everything will probably be fine.

But right now? Performance gap between browsers being put to use they're not being used for? Watch me care less.

Honestly I'd much rather have people stop writing Chrome-only websites and going back to web-standards than having a faster JS-engine in my open-source browser, because that's not where things hurt these days.

Edit: the hatred for web standards in this thread is staggering. How about a reply saying why you don't think a fragmented web is a problem instead of silently downvoting a legitimate concern?

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

java script remembers events this way. Dont see how one can apply this to human brain..

How can the human brain remember hours of highway trips in basically 3 pounds of fat without using some tricks to convert the information in to geometric 3d shapes? The developer who created this demo also know how to do it the other way round, he can write javascript that generate simple geometric shapes and animated transitions in javascript that generates a pretty good rendition of a highway trip at night.

There's a lot of good science on this exact issue, dating back to the 50s/60s (good entry point: the Nobel Prize-awarded work of Hubel & Wiesel). The brain does indeed perform many, many passes of feature extraction and reduction. Essentially, this process starts at synapse one -- retinal inputs, for instance, are immediately split into multiple channels coding different features of the incredibly rich feature space impinging on your photoreceptors. The higher up you go, the more diverse the features and the higher their level of complexity.

There's no need for guesswork! Just dive into the literature.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

#25
Yikes - this took me right back to writing M68000 bootsector demo/loaders on my AtariST in the 80's. Happy times. I sometimes wish there was still more of that creative free-for-all spirit in todays UI's. To think of the computing power we have now compared to then - it's slightly saddening to see how conservative and often ugly the interfaces we use are.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care. I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in th…

> As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser

Chrome is open-source Chromium plus an auto-updater and Flash.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care. I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in th…

Think of this like a stress-test for the JS engine though. It's probably still useful to work out edge cases and odd performance issues. It's much better in 35.0a2 and that's good for everyone.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care. I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in th…

> As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser Chrome is open-source Chromium plus an auto-updater and Flash.

Plus DRM and possibly other things Google is not telling us. It is a propriety browser distributed as a binary, effectively closed-source, so there is no way for us to know.

Chromium! = Chrome and more people who realize that (and vocalize it) the better.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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post #21

Now, I remember that in a recent discussion there was some arguing on Firefox new JS engine whose results were benchmarked at a higher position than Chroome's. So please try this on Firefox and then on Chroome and see the difference. Firefox is not yet there, sadly.

As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser, would you be shocked to hear me chip in and say: I don't care. I don't need my browser to drive full-screen 3D games & demos on my current-laptop hardware. That's not what I (or anyone else) is currently using their browser for. Maybe 5 years from now things will have changed. Maybe then truly everything will be in th…

I'm glad some people care about browser performance, care about creating art and apps that push performance, because without them we won't get to that future where there's a viable, open, free, standards based platform that people can use to challenge the dominance of truly closed source native app platforms.

So yes I am shocked to hear that you don't care. And I'm a bit shocked to see you rant at a person that simply suggested Firefox's JS engine may not be as performant as Chrome's.

Re: JS1k demo: “Highway at Night”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a Firefox-user (on Linux!) who don't feel like installing Google's closed-source spyware-browser Chrome is open-source Chromium plus an auto-updater and Flash.

Plus DRM and possibly other things Google is not telling us. It is a propriety browser distributed as a binary, effectively closed-source, so there is no way for us to know. Chromium! = Chrome and more people who realize that (and vocalize it) the better.

So what, anyone who wants to use Chrome-targeted websites/demos/games can just install Chromium and experience the same as a Chrome user. No problem at all.
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