How a Shrimp Treadmill Became a Political Plaything

Post by exstudent » Fri, Nov 14, 2014, 11:58 PM UTC

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It's not just the US. Just today the UK press made the lead scientist of the Rosetta mission cry by attacking his SHIRT instead of celebrating his achievements. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11231320/Rosetta-mi...

Moaning about a scientist's sexist shirt is probably a case of misplaced priorites, but it's not like anyone is denying the existence of the landing or the spaceship, whereas here you have public figures who cheerfully deny the reality of biological evolution or climate change in order to chase votes. It's not like anyone is going to gut the European Space Agency budget over Dr. Wossname's shirt, though.

Post by lern_too_spel » Sat, Nov 15, 2014, 12:15 AM UTC

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Nonsense. His achievement was celebrated as well. His shirt is the kind of thing that keeps women away from science, so the fact that he publicly acknowledged his error will make other scientists more consciously think about inclusivity, helping science in the long run.

Incorrect, women aren't as weak as you think they are. He worked with many awesome women to make this mission happen BTW. More likely this type of overreaction and hysteria will keep free thinking individuals out of science.

Post by exstudent » Sat, Nov 15, 2014, 12:17 AM UTC

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Incorrect, women aren't as weak as you think they are. He worked with many awesome women to make this mission happen BTW. More likely this type of overreaction and hysteria will keep free thinking individuals out of science.

If you think this is not a big deal, you should become familiar with the Petrie multiplier. Women shouldn't need thicker skin than men to work in science, but that won't get fixed as long as we keep ignoring the problem, limiting the speed of scientific advancement by limiting the population of scientists. http://iangent.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-petrie-multiplier-wh...

Post by Blahah » Sat, Nov 15, 2014, 12:25 AM UTC

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Nothing to do with attacking science and everything to do with making diverse members of the science community feel welcome.

Diverse, as long as you dress EXACTLY how you're "supposed" to. A friend made him this shirt. He was wearing it as a tribute since the day was important to him. He got nailed to the wall. Remember when scientists and engineers could dress how they wanted and be independent thinkers? It's sad to see that coming to an end. This is not a win for science or free thought.

Post by exstudent » Sat, Nov 15, 2014, 12:28 AM UTC

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Diverse, as long as you dress EXACTLY how you're "supposed" to. A friend made him this shirt. He was wearing it as a tribute since the day was important to him. He got nailed to the wall. Remember when scientists and engineers could dress how they wanted and be independent thinkers? It's sad to see that coming to an end. This is not a win for science or free thought.

Diverse, as long as you respect your colleagues. Wearing a t-shirt with scantily clad women (or men) on it is not acceptable in any workplace. Just like watching porn is not appropriate in the workplace. There is no end in sight for independent thought in science, but the end of thoughtless marginalisation of women is most definitely overdue. edit: honestly - downvotes for this? Think about what that means.