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China suspected of breaching U.S. Postal Service computer networks

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Good thing we photograph every piece of mail, OCR and store that information indefinitely.

Got a source on "every"?

How about TFA?

"It is also possible that the Chinese were after other types of data, analysts said. For instance, the U.S. Postal Service, at the request of law enforcement officials, takes pictures of all addressing information from envelopes and parcels. [1]​"

[1] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mai...

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It was USSR before. It has been China since 1990's. An imaginary and powerful enemy has to be created. Iraq, Iran, Afganistan are too small for the title.

Sadly, in the "right" hands (or after the "right" catastrophy), nothing is too small for the title. Or it can be just made up, like "they're throwing babies out of incubators". And just as sadly, this goes both ways, "the west" also served as an excuse for decades of atrocities in China and Russia.

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Still, “it’s perfectly appropriate for us to do everything we can to embarrass and punish the Chinese if they’re in our systems, whether or not we’re in theirs,” said former National Security Agency general counsel Stewart A. Baker. “It’s the case that the U.S. and Russia and other countries are much more cautious about getting caught because they think there are going to be consequences. It’s only the Chinese that t…

Obama is heading to China again, time to publish a story about them hacking again? This quote was interesting because it seems to confirm that the whole story is smoke and mirrors for some political agenda.

Before Snowden I actually bought into this whole 'the Chinese are hacking us' refrain. I don't see how they can keep up with it with a straight face anymore.

I think the US has zero credibility pointing the finger here. Spend 1/10th as much on defense as offense and then maybe complain your system protected by default passwords and zero encryption got "hacked".

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got a source on "every"?

How about TFA? "It is also possible that the Chinese were after other types of data, analysts said. For instance, the U.S. Postal Service, at the request of law enforcement officials, takes pictures of all addressing information from envelopes and parcels. [1]​" [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mai...

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As a side note, I really hate article titles that use this kind of wildly inaccurate accusation. The nation of China did not breach the U.S. Postal Service, a Chinese government team did. Still inaccurate and vague, but there's a world of difference between the United States launching a drone strike and the CIA, an agent of the US, launching a drone strike. Edit: I've read more than enough articles where the agent or…

The actors are members of a larger system, the government, and act on its behalf and in most cases with its explicit approval and support. They're all parts of the same entity and by trying to distance the actor from the system would be to remove some level of responsibility that all parties share in.

Also, I don't think there's a world of difference between saying the CIA launched a drone strike and America launching a drone strike. I know the general public would like to believe they are not personally responsible for what our country does but as citizens, we collectively share in what we as a whole have decided to do or what those we've put in charge have decided to do.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about TFA? "It is also possible that the Chinese were after other types of data, analysts said. For instance, the U.S. Postal Service, at the request of law enforcement officials, takes pictures of all addressing information from envelopes and parcels. [1]​" [1] http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mai...

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Your own article contradicts you.

>Mr. Pickering was targeted by a longtime surveillance system called mail covers, a forerunner of a vastly more expansive effort, the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the US spying made Chinese spying easier (as expected). Wonderful.

That's an effect of certain poorly-made security decisions. For example, if a small organization such as a gym or school makes copies of all customer/user driver's licenses: They end up creating a small pile of gold that they can't afford to protect.

Don't ask for data you can't securely store. I think that's just common sense. If you keep the data on paper, you wouldn't leave it out in the open for anyone to take it would you?

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"For one thing, the Chinese may be assuming that the postal service is more like theirs — a state-owned entity that has vast amounts of data on its citizens, said James A. Lewis, a cyber-policy expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies."

State-owned? That is true. "has vast amount of data on its citizens"? Please do some homework before speaking.

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