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Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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The Hackintosh movement is still going strong. One would think Apple would make their life difficult but quite the opposite appears to be the case: there are a few well-understood workarounds to get OS X working on an off-the-shelf PC, mostly just audio and networking. Be careful if you choose not to follow the guides, though! There's a reason most Hackintoshes use Gigabyte motherboards, Atheros wireless, etc. - Just…

Once it's set up and working the way you want, how often do you find yourself dealing with small issues?

Not the OP, but I built one based on one of these guides 2 years ago. The only problem I have is that once in a while (1-2 a month) the sound doesn't work after resuming from sleep. I have to reboot to get it back.

Otherwise I don't have any issues. I'm running the latest Mavericks, could install updates etc.

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know. What is funny is that they made OS X free despite that.

The point of giving the OS away was to encourage buying a new device. Especially when it sends you notifications/badges that the new OS is available - and then the new OS takes advantage of newer hardware features ... and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature. The margins on selling the OS were never very good. Apple has always made the majority of their m…

Windows used to make a good go at it (and still does in Enterprise). I think that this is changing very quickly, however.

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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post #3

The Hackintosh movement is still going strong. One would think Apple would make their life difficult but quite the opposite appears to be the case: there are a few well-understood workarounds to get OS X working on an off-the-shelf PC, mostly just audio and networking. Be careful if you choose not to follow the guides, though! There's a reason most Hackintoshes use Gigabyte motherboards, Atheros wireless, etc. - Just…

Once it's set up and working the way you want, how often do you find yourself dealing with small issues?

There are a few different kinds of issues that come up.

Software updates are a pain. Most of the time they work fine (especially now that Apple has more commodity hardware and public OS betas). Sometimes there are issues though and it is just always smart to wait a few months while they are figured out. If you are the sort that always wants to be running the latest OS version you'll find this frustrating or you'll spend a lot of time updating. My MacBook Pro was running Yosemite from day one. My hackintosh is still on 10.9.5. There are a few other minor software issues that come up.. iMessage is always a chore to get working.

On the hardware end you get much greater build to order flexibility. You are limited in hardware to largely things that Apple uses somewhere in their product line but this still gives you quite a few options since there are a few very useful combos that Apple just doesn't sell. My configuration is basically an iMac without a screen and with the Mac Pro graphics card. A Mac Pro would require me to buy ~$2000 of Xeon hardware and a second GPU, neither of which I need. An iMac would saddle me with a mobile GPU and non-replacable glossy screen. As a bonus I have 5 different internal SATA drives (with room for more) and a Blu-Ray burner.

That said, there are a lot of things about Apple hardware that I miss. I don't have any Thunderbolt ports though and the graphics card is full of legacy DVI ports instead of useful DisplayPort ones. The machine is large and uses way more power and throws off way more heat than an Apple machine. I had to do some careful design work to get something quiet and it is still not as quiet as Apple hardware. Sleep has never worked reliably. Boot screen support for my graphics card doesn't exist so I have to physically unplug video cables if I want to see what is happening during boot up (say if I want to reboot in Linux or Windows or from a recovery partition). The audio ports don't have the third contact for a headset like Apple's do so I need a USB headset.

Overall, as a desktop solution for home use, non-commercial software development, and gaming it lets you be more cost efficient with your computing hardware at the price of time spent researching and tinkering. Particularly so if your use case is one that Apple doesn't cater to like gaming or anything that thinness isn't a top priority. Once it was set up I don't tend to have problems. My hardware was ordered with Hackintosh compatibility in mind though. Problems typically tend to be clustered around OS upgrades or hardware changes rather than day to day issues (except for issues due to hardware constraints like sleep/wake and boot screens). It is otherwise pretty stable.

I'd never recommend it for a laptop, a non-technical person, anyone who has more money than time, or anyone who needs something reliable/with manufacturer support/help. I wish I could justify a Mac Pro for my use case but I can't at 3-4x the price. I have a MacBook Pro for serious work which lets me take on more risk of having the desktop out of commission due to any issues.

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one? For one I would assume that since it's built up from separate parts you can upgrade it at will, something you can't really do with a 'real' Mac Mini.

I assume he means the much better support, much nicer case, higher resale value, etc.

"nicer case" is subjective, although I will agree that official Apple models do have far better support and far better resale value.

That said, I don't think the average Hackintosher really cares about those things -- there's a reason why "hack" is in the name. It's a hacky and fun way to get OS X running on unofficially supported hardware, and I don't think support and resale value are high on a Hackintosher's priority list.

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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I built one 3 years ago and have been mostly pleased. It's a pain that with every point release I have to re-apply the patches for my audio to work, and migrating to new OS X versions can be nerve-wracking, but tonymac's site is an outstanding resource to help you through the process.

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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Just quickly doing the math in my head, it seems like the Mini costs roughly the same as a real Mac Mini. So, what's the advantage of going the DIY route? I presume the price gap grows on the higher end systems?

What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one? For one I would assume that since it's built up from separate parts you can upgrade it at will, something you can't really do with a 'real' Mac Mini.

> What's 'real' about the 'real' Mac Mini that's not real about this one?

Warranty and support. If Apple releases an update that breaks your Hackintosh then too bad, if Apple does it to your $100 more legit Mac Mini then you can moan at them if nothing else.

I do, however, completely agree with the upgrade argument. Particularly with the latest gen' of Mac Mini which don't allow the RAM to be upgraded because greed.

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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While I'm not saying it's not fun to try and run OS X on PC hardware, can anyone explain to me how this is not morally equivalent to unauthorized copying / software piracy, given that they are both violations of the license agreement?

Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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While I'm not saying it's not fun to try and run OS X on PC hardware, can anyone explain to me how this is not morally equivalent to unauthorized copying / software piracy, given that they are both violations of the license agreement?

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Re: Building a CustoMac: Buyer's Guide

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know. What is funny is that they made OS X free despite that.

The point of giving the OS away was to encourage buying a new device. Especially when it sends you notifications/badges that the new OS is available - and then the new OS takes advantage of newer hardware features ... and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature. The margins on selling the OS were never very good. Apple has always made the majority of their m…

> and for older hardware makes sure to let you know that your Mac/iOS device doesn't support this feature.

Where is this case? In my experience, something I saw online simply wasn't available to me, like AirDrop, for instance. I upgraded my mid-09 MBP to 10.7, looked for AirDrop and couldn't find it.

Same for Handoff and the Bluetooth-required new features in Yosemite. Apple doesn't go out of its way to inform me my hardware is out of date; features talked about in the media are just missing.

edit: Also, your post sounds dangerously close to the uninformed "Apple purposefully makes iOS n perform worse on device x", as if that's a smart business move.

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