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Re: Germany's top publisher bows to Google in news licensing row

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Post by Sven7 » Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 3:48 PM UTC

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #16

hellrich wrote: post #2

Wanting to force someone to advertise your product and charge him for it sounds so backwards, especially from a right-wing company. I'm happy this terrible excuse for a publisher couldn't get through with it. Will be interesting to see the Bild headlines about it, at the moment they are still busy rallying against unions (e.g. by printing the phone numbers of union leaders).

To play the devil's advocate: - Bild makes money from the online visits. - Google makes money form the online visits as well. - Bild actually provides content for Google to generate that revenue. Why should not Google pay for the content (a percentage of ad revenue generated by the news.google.com would do nicely)?

Does Google News generate revenue? I

Re: Germany's top publisher bows to Google in news licensing row

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Post by kevin_thibedeau » Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 4:13 PM UTC

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #14

pgeorgi wrote: post #6

The best thing about their press release[0] is that within a couple of sentences they a) complain that they'd lose seven-digits in advertising a year per brand over the short listing on Google news and resulting decrease in traffic, b) demand that Google pays them for the Google news interaction. [0] http://www.axelspringer.de/presse/Axel-Springer-schliesst-Da...

The question is, how much does Google make, a year, from its news aggregator pages? I bet it is more than Bild does. If nobody allowed Google to do the snippets, Google's news business would sink. But since they cannot pass the copyright law for the entire world, Google's business is less affected by the ban. Because it is a monopoly. Shit, these guys have a point.

Google doesn't have ads on the news subdomain. They only make money indirectly by driving traffic to publishers who are Doubleclick customers and adding new behavioral data to the profiles of logged in users.

Re: Germany's top publisher bows to Google in news licensing row

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Post by fwn » Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 5:29 PM UTC

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #16

hellrich wrote: post #2

Wanting to force someone to advertise your product and charge him for it sounds so backwards, especially from a right-wing company. I'm happy this terrible excuse for a publisher couldn't get through with it. Will be interesting to see the Bild headlines about it, at the moment they are still busy rallying against unions (e.g. by printing the phone numbers of union leaders).

To play the devil's advocate: - Bild makes money from the online visits. - Google makes money form the online visits as well. - Bild actually provides content for Google to generate that revenue. Why should not Google pay for the content (a percentage of ad revenue generated by the news.google.com would do nicely)?

They don't want Google to be able to buy it. They want Google to be forced to buy it.

If you took ice cream for free that doesn't give anyone the right to force you to buy it.

Re: Germany's top publisher bows to Google in news licensing row

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Post by lotu » Fri, Nov 07, 2014, 1:05 AM UTC

psykovsky wrote: post #11

pgeorgi wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it's hard to argue, even with a monopoly, that someone whose free service benefits you in the millions has to pay for that privilege.

Because google could exist without content to index...

I don't think google news even has any ads so Google theoretically isn't even making any money off of it.