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Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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The doctor should have known better than to go to a bowling alley soon after he returned. Whether or not he was contagious now they have to perform contact tracing and disinfect the place.

well, he went to a bowling alley eight days after getting back to NY. What is more egregious is that the NYTimes is reporting he was feeling sluggish on Tuesday, why didn't he self-quarantine or contact someone earlier than today?

I haven't been to JFK from Africa, but I've been there from London, Amsterdam, and Berlin, flights which are (if anything) shorter... and I was sluggish for a whole week after getting back, just going to throw that out there.

Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Before judging this man for going bowling etc., we should bear in mind that he caught Ebola working for Doctors without Borders in Guinea. I would guess that without workers like him, the risk to Americans and others outside Africa, would be much higher, since the disease would be spreading much faster within Africa. Hopefully he recovers and we can improve travel policies if necessary.

Cold comfort if he has created a public health crisis in the city. He should have self-quarantined upon his return, in my opinion.

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Based on the timeline, he had to have contracted Ebola pretty much the day he left.

That seems pretty unusual, isn't it? How long was he there, a couple months?

"Symptoms usually occur within eight to 10 days of infection and Dr. Spencer had been home nine days when he reported feeling ill." That's not including travel time local and international.

That's a tight schedule!

Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Before judging this man for going bowling etc., we should bear in mind that he caught Ebola working for Doctors without Borders in Guinea. I would guess that without workers like him, the risk to Americans and others outside Africa, would be much higher, since the disease would be spreading much faster within Africa. Hopefully he recovers and we can improve travel policies if necessary.

To borrow an idea from math, "doing good" isn't a commutative, infections and diseases are. Have some respect for others and slow your roll before going out during the 21 day post exposure window.

It's a bit like saying, "Hey I've saved lives over here so I have earned the right to be irresponsible over here". Because you know, karma balances out. No, the world doesn't work like that. And you aren't doing any good propagating this idea either because it encourages this privileged way of thinking.

As much as this guy isn't being vilified (and say what you want about the government spinning its story of ebola being hard to transmit), lets think clearly and rationally. He knew the risks that he could possibly be infected and decided to endanger others when he could have easily stayed home or gone anywhere to a more isolated environment (upstate NY is calling). It is well known symptoms generally show up by the 10th day. Today is his day 10.

It's very interesting that the government has locked down this guys apartment, yet if you need contact with bodily fluids to contract the disease why quarantine the apartment and surroundings? Could it be that droplets are a transmission method as many people are starting to suspect. Sneezing and coughing may spread these droplets to the floors and walls? And if that is the case, what about other objects that come in contact with saliva and other fluids like utensils, door handles, glasses...

Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Before judging this man for going bowling etc., we should bear in mind that he caught Ebola working for Doctors without Borders in Guinea. I would guess that without workers like him, the risk to Americans and others outside Africa, would be much higher, since the disease would be spreading much faster within Africa. Hopefully he recovers and we can improve travel policies if necessary.

To borrow an idea from math, "doing good" isn't a commutative, infections and diseases are. Have some respect for others and slow your roll before going out during the 21 day post exposure window. It's a bit like saying, "Hey I've saved lives over here so I have earned the right to be irresponsible over here". Because you know, karma balances out. No, the world doesn't work like that. And you aren't doing any good pr…

I thought it was well known that ebola can be spread through any bodily fluids and that this includes droplets from coughing and sneezing. What they don't yet know is whether ebola is 'airborne' - i.e. dried droplets that can float in air as is the case with measles for example.

Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Before judging this man for going bowling etc., we should bear in mind that he caught Ebola working for Doctors without Borders in Guinea. I would guess that without workers like him, the risk to Americans and others outside Africa, would be much higher, since the disease would be spreading much faster within Africa. Hopefully he recovers and we can improve travel policies if necessary.

To borrow an idea from math, "doing good" isn't a commutative, infections and diseases are. Have some respect for others and slow your roll before going out during the 21 day post exposure window. It's a bit like saying, "Hey I've saved lives over here so I have earned the right to be irresponsible over here". Because you know, karma balances out. No, the world doesn't work like that. And you aren't doing any good pr…

   > He knew the risks that he could possibly be infected 
   > and decided to endanger others when he could have 
   > easily stayed home
That may be over stating things. Given that he is a doctor, and he is confident in his process with keeping clean, he might actually have a really hard time believing that he was infected. People have faith in their own abilities, that lets them do things which might put them at grave risk.

In the military service you will hear it as "trust in your training." Basically you believe you won't be the guy that gets shot or steps on a land mine or what ever because you trained really hard and you know you are implementing that training flawlessly.

It is entirely possible this person was so confident in their training, and their own competence in putting that training into action, that they believed it was impossible for them to be infected. They do the self monitoring because that is what you are supposed to do, but it never comes up positive because you did what you were supposed to do. This gets worse the more times you do something and the outcome is exactly as you expect it to be.

So I can believe this guy didn't believe he was at risk. Just like I have foolishly believed this small change I am checking in can't break anything[1]. One hopes he was asymptomatic when he went out. Unlike the guy in Texas who was showing symptoms and went home, or the nurse who had a fever and got on a plane anyway.

Sure you could put anyone coming back from West Africa in an airstream trailer [2] for 21 days but that is impractical if you want to support the process of fighting it in West Africa.

[1] I know, hugely different scale, but illustrative of my fight against my own assumptions in the pursuit of better process.

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Quarantine_Facility#medi...

Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Based on the timeline, he had to have contracted Ebola pretty much the day he left. That seems pretty unusual, isn't it? How long was he there, a couple months? "Symptoms usually occur within eight to 10 days of infection and Dr. Spencer had been home nine days when he reported feeling ill." That's not including travel time local and international. That's a tight schedule!

At the same time, I wouldn't be surprised if people tend to let their guard down in the days and hours before they leave the country.

Instead of quarantining by default, I think it would be interesting to offer a free, relaxing vacation in a low population density region to people who are returning from helping in Africa. i.e. you cannot leave West Africa and return to a major city directly. Instead you fly back to your home country by way of a desirable destination and hang out there for a few weeks.

Re: Doctor in New York City Is Sick with Ebola

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Before judging this man for going bowling etc., we should bear in mind that he caught Ebola working for Doctors without Borders in Guinea. I would guess that without workers like him, the risk to Americans and others outside Africa, would be much higher, since the disease would be spreading much faster within Africa. Hopefully he recovers and we can improve travel policies if necessary.

To borrow an idea from math, "doing good" isn't a commutative, infections and diseases are. Have some respect for others and slow your roll before going out during the 21 day post exposure window. It's a bit like saying, "Hey I've saved lives over here so I have earned the right to be irresponsible over here". Because you know, karma balances out. No, the world doesn't work like that. And you aren't doing any good pr…

Why not seal off the apartment? There's pretty much no downside, so I don't think it really says much (especially assuming ~2 people regularly use it...).
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