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U.N.C. Investigation Reveals ‘Shadow Curriculum’ to Help Athletes

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MLB has the minor leagues as their feeder program.

The NFL has college football as their feeder program.

There are a lot of tradeoffs, but in the end I think the MLB's system is better. To me, the charade of "student athletes" in football gets more and more strained each year.

The question is if they did want to transition to a minor league football system, how can you go from here to there in an orderly fashion?

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Why is every semi-pro athlete expected to get a decent GPA in order to play on a university's football team? It's a completely different skillset. I don't blame players for ditching classes to pursue their dreams. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's the same drive as an entrepreneur's: to test yourself, to excel. It's just a different context. They are adults. If, as adults, they choose not to pursue academic studies,…

While I agree with this perspective on athletics at a university, it does seem like it ought to be an issue with the school's academic accreditation. I don't believe that a university that practices this should have their degrees recognized this way.

I will say that I'm not really sure who values this certification though.

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I graduated from UNC's Communication Studies program, one that many athletes sign up for. I took classes with many of the athletes, including half of our championship basketball team. I can honestly say I did not find any organized attempts on part of the professors to provide underhanded help to athletes. So if it happened, it was by administrators, away from the sight of the rest of students/instructors.

Even then, I am a bit surprised. I remember athlete friends being super concerned about their attendance and passing. In almost every class, we'd get someone drop by while class was in session to check if the athletes in the class were in actually there.

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Why not? (I ask this in hopes of being persuaded, not to defend a position.)

Colleges are academic institutions. If you want to be semi-pro athlete rather than a student-athlete, you should join a semi-pro team rather than an academic institution.

The students would have to be paid something in order for them to be semi-pro. They are amateur athletes. Ironically, the teams themselves have to be considered professional, considering the amount of income they generate.

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Why is every semi-pro athlete expected to get a decent GPA in order to play on a university's football team? It's a completely different skillset. I don't blame players for ditching classes to pursue their dreams. Quite the opposite, in fact. It's the same drive as an entrepreneur's: to test yourself, to excel. It's just a different context. They are adults. If, as adults, they choose not to pursue academic studies,…

> Why is every semi-pro athlete expected to get a decent GPA in order to play on a university's football team? Because there are semi-pro teams and university teams, and the two things are not the same thing. > If, as adults, they choose not to pursue academic studies, and instead choose to focus all of their energy on sports, then they should be allowed to do that without putting their sports career at risk. Sure, a…

In the case of American football, skipping college isn't an option. The NFL doesn't recruit out of high school, so a player's only option is to do 3-4 years indentured servitude at an NCAA institution.

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If you go to a school that plays opposite UNC and your school follows the rules, I suspect you might care as it puts you at a competitive disadvantage.

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Collegiate athletics is organized under a league called the NCAA. The NCAA sets rules requiring players to have certain ACT/SAT scores, GPAs, prohibit players accepting compensation for participation, etc., and there is a complicated enforcement division that metes out discipline for violations.

Schools can technically do whatever they want, but in practice this would put them in violation of agreements with the NCAA, they'd get kicked out, and then they'd have nobody to play against.

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If you go to a school that plays opposite UNC and your school follows the rules, I suspect you might care as it puts you at a competitive disadvantage.

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I guess I mean the NCAA rules on academic eligibility. I'll admit that I don't have a detailed understanding but having completely nonexistent classes seems like it is likely a violation. I supposed we will have to wait for the reopened investigation to commence to find out.

http://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-academics

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#29

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Why not? (I ask this in hopes of being persuaded, not to defend a position.)

Because colleges have the stated goal of educating people. Its cynical (as the commenter above mentioned at the end) to join the college with no intention of actually getting educated. Its called a 'shill' or ringer - somebody you get from outside to represent you, that is not actually a member of your organization beyond the single task (sports).

But this has nothing to do with how NCAA athletics have worked in the US, especially in football, for decades. You can't blame the players, when they are pursuing the sports path open to them, blame the colleges.

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Why not? (I ask this in hopes of being persuaded, not to defend a position.)

You're questioning the fundamental purpose of an institution in such a way that it's hard to answer. Why shouldn't universities also run all sorts of other businesses, and then make money from their student consultants? Because the institution of a university exists to provide an academic education that will help them function in the world after school. Because offering a degree in Football would be more predatory th…

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