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A Model of Emotion

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Re: A Model of Emotion

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I wonder if a model like this one could be the basis for coding AI with emotions. Not that you'd really want a robot butler who experiences mood swings, but I'm sure there would be useful applications.

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> ...Bob may overestimate the probability that Alice lied intentionally and thus would experience more anger, because he will compute more possible outcomes where he gets hurt by Alice. The author's theory kind of sounds like a "Parallel Universes / Many-Worlds Theory" model for psychology. While it can be useful in many ways, the model itself might not be based on reality (i.g., how the brain works), and in the exam…

i plan to write a follow-up post on this, in terms of physics.

one of the ideas that heavily influenced me was this one:

http://www.insidescience.org/content/physicist-proposes-new-...

Re: A Model of Emotion

#24
What I don't get is how you reduce a variety of different emotions (hunger, anger, hope, etc) into a dichotomous "positive/negative outcome" spectrum. You don't really address that.

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> ...Bob may overestimate the probability that Alice lied intentionally and thus would experience more anger, because he will compute more possible outcomes where he gets hurt by Alice. The author's theory kind of sounds like a "Parallel Universes / Many-Worlds Theory" model for psychology. While it can be useful in many ways, the model itself might not be based on reality (i.g., how the brain works), and in the exam…

i plan to write a follow-up post on this, in terms of physics. one of the ideas that heavily influenced me was this one: http://www.insidescience.org/content/physicist-proposes-new-...

https://egtheory.wordpress.com/2013/04/21/entropic-forces-an...

Re: A Model of Emotion

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What I don't get is how you reduce a variety of different emotions (hunger, anger, hope, etc) into a dichotomous "positive/negative outcome" spectrum. You don't really address that.

the "positive/negative" spectrum is meant to apply to possible outcomes reflected by the emotions - not the emotions themselves. An emotion like anger typically arises when lots of new negative (unwanted, undesired) possibilities appear newy likely, or lots of desired or 'good' possibilities disappear.

For example, suppose you were going home and upon pulling onto your street, you see the house is on fire. This is probably something you "don't want" - and the SoP model suggests that the negative emotion you experience corresponds to your internal estimate of 'likely events' being updated.

I realize that for most people, the explanation of "well if your house burns down, you'll be angry" seems kind of fatuous. The point of the model is to try to find an underlying thread or consistency to emotional experiences. Yes, it's "obvious" that seeing your house burn down will make a person angry.

What's the relationship between seeing your house burn down, having your best friend cheat on you with your partner, and then finding out that lawsuit was filed against you - aside from "they will all make you mad?"

Anyone can say "its obvious that those will make you angry", but the things we found "obvious" in mathematics for thousands of years turned out to be covering up a very complex situation.

The underlying thread that I see in all of those above situations, aside from them inducing anger - is that they all will cause the person experience them to reduce the probably of positive outcomes they predicted for living in the house, their relationships with their friends and partners, and their finances and time.

For each one of those situations, if you go through the 'set of possible outcomes eliminated' and then try to eliminate them _before_ the 'anger inducing event' occurs, suddenly the event doen't make you angry any more. Playing with the 'set of expected outcomes' seems to directly impact the anticipated emotional response.

If you had already planned to move out of your house, and packed everything up - none of your stuff was damaged, you suffer no financial loss, and insurance recoups everythign you need. Any lingering unpleasantness you feel can be attributed to a reduce sense of 'saftey' or an increased estimate that the house will burn down - but by removing the chance that you planned on staying in that house for years, or that you had a bunch of stuff in there that was destroyed - the emotional sting goes down.

Your friend cheating on you with your partner - that one is much harder to 'prepare' as having zero expectations for the future' - could a friend really be your friend if you didn't plan to be with them? So try the opposite, them - it stings much harder if it's your best friend you've had for 40 years, and your spouse of 30, than if it's a someone you just met and enjoyed spending time with, and a partner you just started dating. Again - this is "OBVIOUS" to most neurotypicals - and so they wouldn't bother explaining to themselves "ok here is why this is." As someone with a very intense emotional history, i wanted to understand the patterns underlying these phenomena.

Re: A Model of Emotion

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Similar to my model, which is itself quite intuitive to someone who likes economic modelling: I like to think of emotion as a function of the change in the expected discounted sum of lifetime utility.

First, utility is a measure satisfaction at any point of time, which can be a function of many variables, including relationships, food, wealth etc.

Discounted utility means that changes in soon satisfaction levels have a higher impact than changes in satisfaction that are still a long time away.

And the fact that I use the expected value of the function allows for biases abd inconsistencies, which are obviously very frequently observed.

[EDIT: typo]

Re: A Model of Emotion

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Can you point to other models that are so clearly and concisely explained? Would really like to read that.

No, because in my experience emotions are not clear and concise. They are a very complex and nuanced way of generating relatively rapid responses to our environment based on our genetics and our experience. Our experiences are complex, therefore so are our emotions. However his book: Shame and Pride: Affect, Sex, and the Birth of the Self, by Donald L. Nathanson Describes one system that I have found helpful. It's no…

Sure, I guess I wasn't looking so much for an in depth text as a high level summary of different models and how they differ. Just to get an idea of what's out there.

Re: A Model of Emotion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, because in my experience emotions are not clear and concise. They are a very complex and nuanced way of generating relatively rapid responses to our environment based on our genetics and our experience. Our experiences are complex, therefore so are our emotions. However his book: Shame and Pride: Affect, Sex, and the Birth of the Self, by Donald L. Nathanson Describes one system that I have found helpful. It's no…

Sure, I guess I wasn't looking so much for an in depth text as a high level summary of different models and how they differ. Just to get an idea of what's out there.

Unfortunately I have not found such a thing, probably because human knowledge about this is so patchy.
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