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Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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“Bitcoin is better than currency in that you don’t have to be physically in the same place and, of course, for large transactions, currency can get pretty inconvenient.” Yes, bitcoin has some specific traits that are superior to carrying wads of cash. Much like many other forms of digital exchange. This is not really news.

Another advantage if I understand correctly is no middleman to deal with. No more banks and not beholden to their policies and procedures.

It's more that there is no required middleman. Bitcoin supports having n of x sorts of payment schemes where a third party(ies) have to agree to the transfer before it is released.

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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Signing up for a bank account is even less instant.

Yes, but if sending money on Coinbase means that you have to sign up for a bank account anyway...

If you don't want to use a bank account you can use https://mycelium.com/ or https://localbitcoins.com/. Or just use https://bitpay.com/getbits and check if one of your friends on Facebook is selling coins.

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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Signing up for Circle is instant.

When I said signing up, I meant the whole process of getting to where you can actually exchange USD for Bitcoin. On Coinbase they ask for bank account information, and that can take several days to verify. There is no process of identity verification on Circle before you can actually buy Bitcoin from them?

I know what you meant. No, there is no delay after signing up before you can buy Bitcoin on Circle.

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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Signing up for Circle is instant.

When I said signing up, I meant the whole process of getting to where you can actually exchange USD for Bitcoin. On Coinbase they ask for bank account information, and that can take several days to verify. There is no process of identity verification on Circle before you can actually buy Bitcoin from them?

You don't need to verify a bank account. Just link a debit or credit card - instant without verification.

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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I tend to shudder when people talk about bitcoin being "cheap". There's a massive amount of energy wasted to maintain the public ledger. It became much more clear to me how this impacts the cost of transacting bitcoins after reading this article: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/how-many-bitcoins-does-...

...and particularly after seeing this graph: https://blockchain.info/charts/cost-per-transaction

I'm more excited about proof-of-stake, as there isn't this arms race to throw more and more computing power to generate bitcoins. I'm not sure why it hasn't seen more adoption, but I will admit that I don't pay a lot of attention to the cryptocurrency space...

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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I feel like bitcoin supporters, in talking about things like the convenience and simplicity of transactions, while not incorrect, are missing the critical issues that are going to determine bitcoin's fate.

If we look at bitcoin vs. US banknotes, a paypal balance, a pile of gold bars in a bunker, whatever, if we're looking at how bitcoin performs vs. all these things at the moment in time when we're transferring them to someone else, bitcoin is superior in every case. The problem is this window is brief. Non-transactional moments in the life of bitcoin is where the problem lies.

Looking at historic pricing of bitcoin, and seeing a peak at a little over $1k, what does the future price need to be for people to feel comfortable receiving bitcoins and just holding onto and forgetting about them, in the same way they could with, say, 100 bucks in their wallet? Being divisible down to 8 decimal places might rationally address the issue of how to spend something where the base unit costs as much as an Xbox. But even if bitcoin could somehow split at something like 300 or 500:1, to make a bitcoin roughly equal to a US dollar or a Euro, does that really solve the problem of perception? The historical chart, with the accelerated volume and insane swings in both directions, might never recede from the mind of the public.

I just have a hard time understanding what a path to acceptance as a legitimate currency looks like. Years of price stability would be a great start. But the beginning of that period hasn't even begun. In the past month alone, the price has moved by 30%, and daily volatility regularly sees the price change by 5%. I can sort of squint my eyes and imagine scenarios where bitcoin, the currency, wins. What I can't see is how bitcoin, the speculative investment, also does well. That these two things are at odds leads to other issues, too, but this is already unnecessarily long.

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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Signing up for Circle is instant.

When I said signing up, I meant the whole process of getting to where you can actually exchange USD for Bitcoin. On Coinbase they ask for bank account information, and that can take several days to verify. There is no process of identity verification on Circle before you can actually buy Bitcoin from them?

No there isn't. I have no idea how they pulled it off, but it really is instant. In less than 5 minutes, I went from not having a Circle account to having a Bitcoin transaction on the blockchain transferring BTC I bought with a credit card to my own private wallet.

Circle is amazing.

Re: Bill Gates: Bitcoin Is 'Better Than Currency'

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I mean, anyone who ever used bitcoin will see how it's clearly superior than going to a bank office, getting an account, waiting days for it all to work out. And then transactions take a night (at least in the countries I've lived in). Bitcoin transactions show up instantly. There's no need to a trusted middle man. Anyone I show it to is swooned, because it's simply really really cool.

I have to assume this is satire, given alternatives like Square cash.

- Bitcoin wallets are under constant cyberattack and there is nobody to compensate you if the money is stolen. - There is no good way to evaluate the integrity of bitcoins software for end users - Even the most user friendly hosted wallets (e.g. Coinbase) are not faster or simpler than a well designed bank (e.g. Simple) - Almost no ordinary merchants accept Bitcoin - The Bitcoin exchange rate is like the Zimbabwe Dollar

I think all these problems can be solved, and I personally hold Bitcoins, but let's not be delusional about the current state of affairs.

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