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Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by crazypyro »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

I think the main thing is some developers never use keyboard shortcuts until they are forced to with vim.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by callesgg »

If you want to use emacs as if it was vim why change?

Personaly: I try to use my console editors as vanila as posible so that I can feel right at home directly. Kind of the exact opposite of this :)

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by crazypyro »

wincent wrote: post #14
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

There's no normal workload under which Vim should ever slow down noticeably. I routinely have long-lived Vim instances with hundreds of open buffers, and some of the files can be quite healthily sized (tens of thousands of lines). It should even be fine for "pathological" cases (multi-megabyte log files, files with stupidly long lines etc).

Isn't it possible a good number of people install addons that cause noticeable performance hits?

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by throw_away »

brandonmenc wrote: post #12
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

> it was the best career decision I've ever made I hear this a lot, and I'm not debating whether it's true or not since ymmv. I'm curious if anyone here has gone the other way. I used vi in my teens then switched to emacs, which I used for over a decade. A couple years ago I switched to JetBrains IDEs and have never been happier. I hadn't used an IDE since Borland Turbo C, and forgot what I was missing. Are there any…

I only started using intellij because it was the first IDE I'd ever used that had a decent vim keybindings plugin.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by rtpg »

callesgg wrote: post #22

If you want to use emacs as if it was vim why change? Personaly: I try to use my console editors as vanila as posible so that I can feel right at home directly. Kind of the exact opposite of this :)

The only thing I really like in vim is the modal editing. Evil replicates all that stuff really well in my opinion.

Plugins in vim are usually pretty poor compared to emacs, and vimscript is frustrating. Emacs Lisp is at least a consistent language, and one that I can figure out how to use much better.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by vsbuffalo »

rtpg wrote: post #25
callesgg wrote: post #22

If you want to use emacs as if it was vim why change? Personaly: I try to use my console editors as vanila as posible so that I can feel right at home directly. Kind of the exact opposite of this :)

The only thing I really like in vim is the modal editing. Evil replicates all that stuff really well in my opinion. Plugins in vim are usually pretty poor compared to emacs, and vimscript is frustrating. Emacs Lisp is at least a consistent language, and one that I can figure out how to use much better.

I thought this was the case too, but YouCompleteMe is really terrific for Vim! I wish emacs had something similar.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by robbles »

cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

Try running it with `mvim -u NONE `.

That disables all initializations from your .vimrc, plugins, etc. so you can see how fast "vanilla" vim is.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by SeoxyS »

cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

In Vim, a single badly-written plugin can make the entire editor feel sluggish. I'd recommend disabling your plugins one-by-one, until you find the culprit.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by graywh »

wincent wrote: post #14
cnp wrote: post #8

I began using Vim about a month ago and it has been totally revelatory to me, and believe quite honestly that it was the best career decision I've ever made. The one thing, however, is its speed. MacVim gets very slow sometimes, particularly with buffers. So my question: How does Emacs and Vim compare speed-wise? I come from a Sublime Text background and really miss the ability to quickly navigate between tabs (buffe…

There's no normal workload under which Vim should ever slow down noticeably. I routinely have long-lived Vim instances with hundreds of open buffers, and some of the files can be quite healthily sized (tens of thousands of lines). It should even be fine for "pathological" cases (multi-megabyte log files, files with stupidly long lines etc).

Syntax based folding can slow it down a lot, especially with Ruby code.

Re: From Vim to Emacs

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Post by kokada »

I made a similar switch to SublimeText, at least for programming tasks (non-programming tasks I still use vim since it works with just a terminal). Vintageous has a much better vim emulation than Vintage (the default vim plugin to ST), and ST has lots of interesting plugins. And I can use both modal and non-modal shortcuts (I use, for example, Ctrl+S to save rather than Ex-mode's :w since I find it less disruptive for my workflow).
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