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BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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In contrast to many of the others, I think the industrial design of this thing is beautiful. Of greater potential interest around here is they relatively quietly added the Amazon App Store to it. Still, it amazes me that they don't do something fairly obvious like team up with Bloomberg on becoming the mobile Bloomberg terminals, complete with the chat and coloured keys.

>Still, it amazes me that they don't do something fairly obvious like team up with Bloomberg on becoming the mobile Bloomberg terminals, complete with the chat and coloured keys.

That is one hell of an idea.

Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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If a brand is out of fashion, of course everyone loves to join in the fun and pile on, and any innovation, good or bad, is automatically thrown onto the bonfire. It's too bad because I think the screen is innovative, and I wish others would follow suit. Some extra space on the side is more valuable to me than more at the top. I tried a squarish LG phablet a couple years ago and loved it. Unhappily the software was po…

> Some extra space on the side is more valuable to me than more at the top Serious question: doesn't the landscape mode of rectangular screens sufficiently address this?

Phones are getting big enough that they're not particularly comfortable to use in landscape mode. I could two-thumb-text on my 3gs just fine; my Nexus 5 is actually pretty awkward in that regard (although swiftkey makes that a moot point anyway)

Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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If a brand is out of fashion, of course everyone loves to join in the fun and pile on, and any innovation, good or bad, is automatically thrown onto the bonfire. It's too bad because I think the screen is innovative, and I wish others would follow suit. Some extra space on the side is more valuable to me than more at the top. I tried a squarish LG phablet a couple years ago and loved it. Unhappily the software was po…

It kind of depends on what you mean by "out of fashion". BB is out of fashion because it lost the plot and, producing a phone that the Verge said was harder to type on than a virtual keyboard, can't be used one-handed, which is bigger and heavier than a phablet while having a smaller screen shows it doesn't have a clue where to find it again.

Who is the market? Cheapskate enterprise customers with huge pockets?

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> The Passport, when bought without a carrier subsidy or large corporate buyer’s discount, will cost $600 in the United States, $50 less than the basic iPhone 6. Where is the market for a $600 handset that isn't an iPhone 6?

The market is: businesses and governments that cannot afford to use anything less secure. For this niche, their phone could be $1000, they're still going to buy BlackBerry because it is the only thing that checks all the boxes and provides the security processes necessary. This might not be a tens of a billions of dollar revenue per quarter business like top consumer electronics manufacturers are, but it is a great n…

Does Blackberry have a significant security lead any more? It did in 2012, but does it now? And don't all of its compatibility hacks produce a gigantic attack surface?

Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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I know my opinion isn't in line with the positive feedback loop culture on HN, but this phone looks like a joke!

I feel like hardware keyboards on mobile devices are archaic and overhyped. I know it's Blackberry's key thing, but instead of trying the same old tired keyboard, why not embrace the software keyboard with some innovations? They could do some research in ultrasonic haptic feedback, shape shifting displays, even something as far fetched as claytronics to replicate the the textures and friction of everyday objects.

If you like or have to use Blackberry, I guess this is the phone for you, but otherwise how can anybody want to choose a painfully mediocre device? I don't feel sorry for their slow fade into obsolescence.

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I never understood how Blackberry hardware designers can be so bad. I'm glad they realized that the keyboard is where the Blackberry shines but, a square design!? They should've stuck with something more similar to the Q10.

The keyboard doubles as a track pad. I imagine the phone will shine when reading content in landscape mode, and scrolling using the track pad. Supposedly works well for lefties too. I understand that the BlackBerry displays around 66 lines of text, compared with the iPhones 31-odd. I'd like very much to play with one before I wrote the device off. Given that I use my phone primarily for reading this could find a nich…

No: 66 characters per line vs 31 for the iphone [in portrait mode] [before the new models came out]

Failing to compete with last year's devices is not the path to victory.

The register is the most positive writeup I've seen, and the headline is "it's bonkers". E.g. They like the trackpad keyboard for handling a large display without using both hands compared with Apple's "reachability", but you have to use both hands. So where's the advantage.

Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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I know my opinion isn't in line with the positive feedback loop culture on HN, but this phone looks like a joke! I feel like hardware keyboards on mobile devices are archaic and overhyped. I know it's Blackberry's key thing, but instead of trying the same old tired keyboard, why not embrace the software keyboard with some innovations? They could do some research in ultrasonic haptic feedback, shape shifting displays,…

Would you care to elaborate more on what about BB 10/BB OS 10 is mediocre?

Edit (after response below): I should add the only item I can think of is Apps but they are working on wrapping Android items.

Edit 2: z30 - sunspider - tinyurl.com/pt6gjrw

Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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Why the hell can't I just have my Blackberry Curve back? Please! The form factor was perfect, the battery was great, the operating system was hella snappier than my current Nexus, all it needed was to run Android apps and have a better camera. Why are they trying to sell us bathroom tiles now?

Re: BlackBerry, Under New Leadership, Unveils Its Newest Smartphone

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I never understood how Blackberry hardware designers can be so bad. I'm glad they realized that the keyboard is where the Blackberry shines but, a square design!? They should've stuck with something more similar to the Q10.

They used to be industry leaders. I don't know what happened.
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