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Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

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Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#21

This has really bought rack space a lot of good will in my mind. Everytime I read an article like this I find myself wanting to do business with them more and more.

To be fair, from the finance and legal perspective, it is not healthy to pay a troll anything.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#22
post #3

"Rotatable sued us and immediately asked for $75,000 to go away. We refused. And we fought. It’s Rackspace policy to not pay off patent trolls, even if it costs us more to fight. Eventually Rotatable offered to just walk away – but we refused again. Just as we promised last year, we challenged the patent and the USPTO invalidated it. This means that Rackspace will not pay one penny to this troll, nor will Apple, Netf…

It's actually in larger companies best interests to pay patent trolls. Like internet fast lanes it creates barriers to entry that effect smaller competitors much more.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#23
Rotatable sued us and immediately asked for $75,000 to go away. We refused. And we fought. It’s Rackspace policy to not pay off patent trolls, even if it costs us more to fight. Eventually Rotatable offered to just walk away – but we refused again. Just as we promised last year, we challenged the patent and the USPTO invalidated it.

This is an excellent strategy and will pay dividends to RackSpace in the long term: what minor patent trolls will touch them now?

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

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post #20
post #14

Startups can pool together to fight these guys. My company, Life360 got sued after raising $50m. They thought this meant we had money to write checks from, but instead we decided to use it to fight. We're basically being sued for allowing you to click a marker on a map initiating a phone call. This obviously should never have been patented, so we are doing all the legal defense work and sharing it with the startup co…

Hello, I just made a blog post about this for my Networks class. If you are interested, here is the link http://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2014/09/23/to-slain-or-not...

Not sure if it's intentionally "slain" or if you meant "slay" in most/all of those occurrences.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#25
post #17
post #14

Startups can pool together to fight these guys. My company, Life360 got sued after raising $50m. They thought this meant we had money to write checks from, but instead we decided to use it to fight. We're basically being sued for allowing you to click a marker on a map initiating a phone call. This obviously should never have been patented, so we are doing all the legal defense work and sharing it with the startup co…

Wonder if it's possible to sue the patent clerk that admitted the patent application in the first place. Keep the fight even further from the homeland.

Gotta suspect that would bring the US Government to the patent clerk's defense and end up being exactly what you don't want to have happen (pissing of the US Govt for no good reason, as they can be incredibly vindictive).

Further likelihood is that a judge would toss that lawsuit almost immediately.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#26
post #16

I am a strong advocate of the following principle: Defeat your enemies. Rackspace deserves some big props, here. More should follow their example.

    It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
      To call upon a neighbour and to say: --
    "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight,
      Unless you pay us cash to go away."

    And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
      And the people who ask it explain
    That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
      And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

    It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
      To puff and look important and to say: --
    "Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
      We will therefore pay you cash to go away."

    And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
      But we've proved it again and again,
    That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
      You never get rid of the Dane.

    It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
      For fear they should succumb and go astray;
    So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
      You will find it better policy to say: --

    "We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
      No matter how trifling the cost;
    For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
      And the nation that plays it is lost!"
Obviously, the sentiment has broad appeal. But in practice it almost always goes the other way -- caravans prefer paying bandits off to fighting them; shops prefer paying protection money to defying the mob; villagers prefer paying taxes to declaring rebellion; and, as called out in the poem, empires prefer paying foreign aid to sending their expensive armies off into the middle of nowhere. Paying the Dane-geld is forever, but even when you do defeat the barbarians it's not like they stay defeated. You just get different barbarians later.

Interestingly, the Roman empire liked to make sure that negotiations with border tribes went its way by waging terrifying scorched-earth campaigns against those border tribes shortly beforehand. It worked. But the negotiated settlements would include subsidies paid annually from Rome to the new barbarian leaders -- Rome liked this system because the subsidies (a) made sure the new leaders were pro-Rome, and (b) really helped stabilize the pro-Rome guy against local challengers.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#28
This is fun and all but calling the patent troll slain is a bit optimistic. Most likely "Rotatable Technologies" was specifically created to sue companies for this patent so they could simply go out of business if things got too rough. The larger patent troll, I'm sure, considers this loss a normal part of doing business and will continue with other patents. This does not get any better simply because one patent was invalidated.

We need legislative change, not to fight fire with fire. Public perception of these companies being trolls and detrimental to innovation is important but this is not a victory. It is simply not a loss and still an enormous waste of resources. We need patent reform.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#29
post #3

"Rotatable sued us and immediately asked for $75,000 to go away. We refused. And we fought. It’s Rackspace policy to not pay off patent trolls, even if it costs us more to fight. Eventually Rotatable offered to just walk away – but we refused again. Just as we promised last year, we challenged the patent and the USPTO invalidated it. This means that Rackspace will not pay one penny to this troll, nor will Apple, Netf…

Nope, they would not attack Apple, Google or Microsoft, same way why you are scamming weak people. Big company would send people who don't have sense of humor once and "Rotatable" would be gone. You attack new or not that big organization which would be "scared". Like "Hey, they are suing us, we better pay before they ruin us, and we just got money". Anyway I see this kind of thing everywhere, most of people also rather to pay ticket or fine, even if they could argue, than go to court because it is more of a hassle.

Re: Another Patent Troll Slain. You Are Now Free to Rotate Your Smartphone

#30
post #17
post #14

Startups can pool together to fight these guys. My company, Life360 got sued after raising $50m. They thought this meant we had money to write checks from, but instead we decided to use it to fight. We're basically being sued for allowing you to click a marker on a map initiating a phone call. This obviously should never have been patented, so we are doing all the legal defense work and sharing it with the startup co…

Wonder if it's possible to sue the patent clerk that admitted the patent application in the first place. Keep the fight even further from the homeland.

>>... sue the patent clerk?

No, not really. The patent clerk made a mistake in approving the patent, buy they didn't intentionally grant a bad patent to cause trouble or make money. Its really the patent trolls that are at fault for weaponizing the patent clerk's mistake.

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