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Google Delivers New Java-like Language, Noop

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Re: Google Delivers New Java-like Language, Noop

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Post by jimfl »

tetha wrote: post #18

I am confused. They say, this is made by google, and up to now, the google announcements I saw were very solid projects. Did I miss a lot of google announcements which are not solid projects? On the other hand, the state of this language looks... early? I am not sure. I don't see much code (yes, those 40 lines linked to on this page really show the new and innovative powers of this language), and I do see a lot of 'w…

"Did I miss a lot of google announcements which are not solid projects?"

You mean like Wave?

Re: Google Delivers New Java-like Language, Noop

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Post by plinkplonk »

raffi wrote: post #20
davidw wrote: post #5

I don't much care for the Bay Area, but I really wish I could have gone to the JVM Language Summit. Looks like a lot of fun.

Me too. I'm so busy with my head down in the code that I forget about these things. I wrote Sleep several years ago and am not as active on it because it's stable for my needs.

" I wrote Sleep several years ago and am not as active on it because it's stable for my needs."

Too bad you couldn't make the JVM summit. I would have been interested in a session on the language powering "After the Deadline" than this piece of almost-vapourware.

Re: Google Delivers New Java-like Language, Noop

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Post by johnm »

plinkplonk wrote: post #14
rivo wrote: post #6

Can anyone point us to some code examples? I had a hard time finding any.

You mean buzzwords aren't enough?!! ;-) I am surprised this got onto the jvmlang conference agenda at this stage of its implementation. Lots of announced buzzword-y goals and very little code. The blurb (In the absence of substantial code samples the blurb is all one has to go by) sounds like it is a language encoding "best practices" - all very nice and enterprisey. It will be interesting to watch the progress or ot…

One goal of the summit is for implementors (of languages and/or runtimes) to have a chance to talk through issues so it fits in with the conference just fine. The hype in the article is the problem.

Re: Google Delivers New Java-like Language, Noop

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Post by johnm »

chasingsparks wrote: post #16

A cursory look leads me to conclude that Noop has no primitive types. This results in Int (capital I) typed variables all over. While this follows the naming convention to which I adhere -- CamelCased classes -- there is still some cognitive dissonance. This might be a silly point, but I have not yet had coffee.

Yes, they've said that everything is an object. But, the whole question of interop with Java is still in flux.

Re: Google Delivers New Java-like Language, Noop

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Post by gjm11 »

jherdman wrote: post #19
gjm11 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://code.google.com/p/noop/source/browse/#hg/examples/noo... but there's scarcely anything there. Which is all rather weird; I'd have thought that (1) one of the first things you do when designing a language is to mock up a load of example code to see how your ideas work together, and (2) you want to make that available to anyone looking at your language so that they can get a feel for what it's meant to be like.…

Not only that but it looks incredibly underwhelming. It looks and smells so much like Java that you might as well use Java.

I strongly suspect that something like this is the reason why there are few code samples. When do you not need to mock up lots of sample code when designing a language? When it's basically another pre-existing language with a few minor changes. (The pre-existing language in this case might not be Java, though I agree that that seems like a good guess.)
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