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A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Interesting is also the hysteria coming from the US wenn the US is the only nation that ever dropped a bomb not once but twice on a population.

The rest of the world should be demanding the US get rid of its arsenal as the US can't be 'trusted' with them. As they have proven they are willing to use them.

Maybe not todays president or the next but are the checks and balances strong enough to prevent a future president from dropping another bomb?

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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Wow, I don't usually have a problem with the New Yorker, but this is a really patronising and naive profile. He drinks too much Diet Coke? Well, Bill Gates and Karl Lagerfeld also drink too much Diet Coke. Worse than that, apparently he's not expected or, really, allowed, to apply basic logic and arithmetic in his research without being subject to ridicule: "It was a typical Coster-Mullen moment: he treats the world’…

I think you are reading way too much hostility into this post. I think it's clear that David Samuels has a lot of respect for Coster-Mullen, all he's doing is establishing him as a "person," by giving his notable personality traits. I thought this article was an inspiring account of how somebody with no formal training in the subject was able to recreate an incredibly complex machine, simply through his own intelligence and hard work. The sentence you quote is definitely not ridicule, but simply an accurate description of Coster-Mullen's approach, I certainly don't think the Samuels was intending to criticize a positivist worldview and most certainly not to be "corrosively anti-geek." Furthermore, through the article, Samuels repeats how impressed he is at how much Coster-Mullen figures out simply through basic reasoning, math and geometry, I mean it includes a complete description of how he painstakingly tracked down a vintage car so he could measure the size of a box in a photograph. I really have you no idea how you managed to read this article as suggesting that Samuels believes Coster-Mullen is deserving of ridicule, instead he seems very impressed, as does everyone else who is interviewed in the article. (Still not even sure how you got "anti-geek," Coster-Mullen doesn't even seem like a "geek," just a normal person with a family and a hobby, who is simply very good and dedicated at it.

An article that simply repeated the facts about what Coster-Mullen had discovered about the bomb would simply be his book. Everybody has their quirks, and an accurate representation of the person (because indeed, the article is about John Coster-Mullen, not the atomic bomb) should include more than a bare listing of facts about their life. Of course it seems a bit ridiculous, but what hobby on such close inspection doesn't? I think reading it as a criticism is very far removed from the author's intention.

I do agree however that the title of the article (on HN) should probably simply be "Atomic John," it's okay for an article title to be a little bit mysterious, and using a subtitle creates a bit of the wrong impression in this case. (I am not sure about what the actual guideline is however)

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Though to be fair, everything is "really, really simple to build" and "the only plausible way they could have been `working on' it is if they aren't working very damned hard" when you're reading a negative, top HN comment.

I know there are few undertakings as trivial as nuclear physics. It's not even interesting enough to have to test it. I would deploy straight to production without a second thought - wouldn't you?

They need to fire their CTO like yesterday - it's a wonder they're they're still in business. I have half a mind to show them how to do it in Angular over the weekend. :)

It's only nuclear physics. This stuff was solved 70 years ago.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

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Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

#25

It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Interesting is also the hysteria coming from the US wenn the US is the only nation that ever dropped a bomb not once but twice on a population. The rest of the world should be demanding the US get rid of its arsenal as the US can't be 'trusted' with them. As they have proven they are willing to use them. Maybe not todays president or the next but are the checks and balances strong enough to prevent a future president…

Truly, I feel the cat is out of the bag at this point. Too many countries, the largest most powerful ones in the world have nuclear weapons. Even if they could be persuaded to get rid of them, the knowledge would exist still, and could be rebuilt rapidly. I despise nuclear weaponry, or any weapon of mass destruction, but at this point there are conventional weapons which are nearly as powerful, or at least just as damaging (and not as costly to build, so they can be used more). Nuclear weaponry scares the living daylights out of me... but I don't see them ever going away, nor the possibility of us blowing ourselves off the face of the planet disappearing either.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Iran's Supreme Leader: "Using Nuclear Weapons is Un-Islamic" -

http://www.dw.de/irans-supreme-leader-using-nuclear-weapons-...

'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme.

He describes the "eye-popping declaration" in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judging with "high confidence" that Iran had halted its nuclear weapons programme.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11722375

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Iran's Supreme Leader: "Using Nuclear Weapons is Un-Islamic" - http://www.dw.de/irans-supreme-leader-using-nuclear-weapons-... 'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme. He describes the "eye-popping declaration" in the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) judging with "high confidence" that Iran had halt…

> 'Mr Bush expresses anger that US intelligence agencies played a role in removing the option of military action against Iran over its nuclear programme.

Wait. Am I reading this correctly? Does it say that Mr Bush is angry that he couldn't go to war?

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether the number is significant or not is irrelevant. The fact is that being a truck driver does not in any way disqualify one from being intelligent. A less loaded but more helpful title might have been something along the lines of "Man who isn't a nuclear scientist uncovers secrets about first nuclear bomb." It might help to understand the problem I'm describing if you replace "truck driver" in the title with a r…

I don't think that helps understand the problem at all. Are truck drivers a protected class? Can you provide some evidence regarding intelligence of truck drivers?

> Can you provide some evidence regarding intelligence of truck drivers?

Sure. This very article. Some non-truck drivers were apparently pretty impressed with the truck driver's book:

The review, written by the eminent atomic historian Robert S. Norris, began, “For many years, Coster-Mullen has been printing his manuscript at Kinko’s (adding to and revising it along the way) and selling spiral-bound copies at conferences or over the Internet.” Norris clearly considered Coster-Mullen’s understanding of the bomb superior to his own.

My own copy of “Atom Bombs” soon arrived in the mail, along with a sheet of testimonials from Harold Agnew, the former director of the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, who was aboard the Enola Gay when it annihilated Hiroshima (a “most amazing document”); Philip Morrison, one of the physicists who helped invent the bomb (“You have done a remarkable job”); and Paul Tibbets, the commander and pilot of the Enola Gay (“I was very much impressed”).

Incidentally, can you provide some evidence regarding the intelligence of software engineers?

See how that feels?

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

#29

It's worth remembering this the next time you hear some hysteria about Iran's "nuclear program" which they have been supposedly working on for the past 30 years without actually producing a bomb. Basic nuclear weapons are really, really simple to build. This is especially true of uranium bombs. Is there any case of a weapon being deployed operationally without ever being test-fired, other than dropping Little Boy ove…

Though to be fair, everything is "really, really simple to build" and "the only plausible way they could have been `working on' it is if they aren't working very damned hard" when you're reading a negative, top HN comment. I know there are few undertakings as trivial as nuclear physics. It's not even interesting enough to have to test it. I would deploy straight to production without a second thought - wouldn't you?…

Well, to be fair, building a crude atomic bomb is really not that difficult.

> They need to fire their CTO like yesterday - it's a wonder they're they're still in business. I have half a mind to show them how to do it in Angular over the weekend. :)

Well note that most of the startups here are not doing any difficult or novel tech; it's the same old boring web + mobile stuff that every other high-schooler with a JavaScript book could do. The "hard things" startups face are mostly about staying in business (and only long enough to have "an exit" and kiss the surprised users goodbye), which is a class of problems you don't have when you're building a first nuclear bomb for the government.

Re: A truck driver uncovers secrets about the first nuclear bombs (2008)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Though to be fair, everything is "really, really simple to build" and "the only plausible way they could have been `working on' it is if they aren't working very damned hard" when you're reading a negative, top HN comment. I know there are few undertakings as trivial as nuclear physics. It's not even interesting enough to have to test it. I would deploy straight to production without a second thought - wouldn't you?…

Well, to be fair, building a crude atomic bomb is really not that difficult. > They need to fire their CTO like yesterday - it's a wonder they're they're still in business. I have half a mind to show them how to do it in Angular over the weekend. :) Well note that most of the startups here are not doing any difficult or novel tech; it's the same old boring web + mobile stuff that every other high-schooler with a Java…

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