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Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

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Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

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It's interesting to read Wikipedia's entry on this matter (claiming it was caused by a huge firebombing raid): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_an... "The delay at the rendezvous had resulted in clouds and drifting smoke from fires started by a major firebombing raid by 224 B-29s on nearby Yahata the previous day covering 70% of the area over Kokura, obscuring the aiming point."

Yep, one of the reasons Hiroshima and Nagasaki were selected as targets was because they were one of the few major Japanese cities that /hadn't/ been firebombed in the preceding weeks. People forget that the deadliest 24 hours in the Second World War was not either of the atomic bombings (which killed c. 120,000 people), but the firebombing of Tokyo, which burned down 12 square miles of a city which had average population density of 100,000 people per square mile.

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

#22

I wanted to know if this was plausible, so I located the Yawata Steel Works (the source of the smoke screen) and the Kokura Arsenal (the aiming point for the bomb) on a map. They were about 4.4km apart. http://i.imgur.com/nJaJtH7.png (the site of the Steel Works is on the left) Interesting, but I still don't know if it's true. edit: Wikipedia's page on Smokescreens says "One 50 gallon drum of fog oil can obscure 60 m…

97 square kilometers? 97 kilometer radius ? tsk tsk Wikipedia…

What's wrong with the second one?

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

#23

I wanted to know if this was plausible, so I located the Yawata Steel Works (the source of the smoke screen) and the Kokura Arsenal (the aiming point for the bomb) on a map. They were about 4.4km apart. http://i.imgur.com/nJaJtH7.png (the site of the Steel Works is on the left) Interesting, but I still don't know if it's true. edit: Wikipedia's page on Smokescreens says "One 50 gallon drum of fog oil can obscure 60 m…

97 square kilometers? 97 kilometer radius ? tsk tsk Wikipedia…

Yeah, i'm not even sure that specifying just one unit is even sufficient for me to understand what they mean.

Presumably plume size is determined by a variety of factors, not just fuel?

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

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I wanted to know if this was plausible, so I located the Yawata Steel Works (the source of the smoke screen) and the Kokura Arsenal (the aiming point for the bomb) on a map. They were about 4.4km apart. http://i.imgur.com/nJaJtH7.png (the site of the Steel Works is on the left) Interesting, but I still don't know if it's true. edit: Wikipedia's page on Smokescreens says "One 50 gallon drum of fog oil can obscure 60 m…

97 square kilometers? 97 kilometer radius ? tsk tsk Wikipedia…

I assume it means 97 square kilometers, because covering a circle of 97 km radius in 15 minutes would require a 776 km/hour wind :)

But it is written very unclearly, and it's not clear what is wikipedia's source, sadly.

It just seemed plausible that there could be plenty of smoke coverage for the scenario under discussion

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

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I wanted to know if this was plausible, so I located the Yawata Steel Works (the source of the smoke screen) and the Kokura Arsenal (the aiming point for the bomb) on a map. They were about 4.4km apart. http://i.imgur.com/nJaJtH7.png (the site of the Steel Works is on the left) Interesting, but I still don't know if it's true. edit: Wikipedia's page on Smokescreens says "One 50 gallon drum of fog oil can obscure 60 m…

Seems to me that the official report would have mentioned "a giant smoke plume clearly originating from this one site was obscuring the target area" rather than reports of smoke and clouds covering the whole city.

It seems reasonable to me that the attempt may have been made, but I doubt it was responsible for actually averting the attack.

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

#27

I wanted to know if this was plausible, so I located the Yawata Steel Works (the source of the smoke screen) and the Kokura Arsenal (the aiming point for the bomb) on a map. They were about 4.4km apart. http://i.imgur.com/nJaJtH7.png (the site of the Steel Works is on the left) Interesting, but I still don't know if it's true. edit: Wikipedia's page on Smokescreens says "One 50 gallon drum of fog oil can obscure 60 m…

97 square kilometers? 97 kilometer radius ? tsk tsk Wikipedia…

So I read this as "within 15 minutes, land up to 60 miles downwind of the generator is obscured."

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

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I wanted to know if this was plausible, so I located the Yawata Steel Works (the source of the smoke screen) and the Kokura Arsenal (the aiming point for the bomb) on a map. They were about 4.4km apart. http://i.imgur.com/nJaJtH7.png (the site of the Steel Works is on the left) Interesting, but I still don't know if it's true. edit: Wikipedia's page on Smokescreens says "One 50 gallon drum of fog oil can obscure 60 m…

97 square kilometers? 97 kilometer radius ? tsk tsk Wikipedia…

Are you really 'tsk'-ing at wikipedia? You know it's not guaranteed to be accurate on any topic at all don't you?

Re: Steel worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of atomic bombing

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They only had to obscure the target zone, which was a very small area (a single factory complex, the Kokura Arsenal), and by chance it happened to be obscured during the 30 minutes or so that the plane was overhead. This wasn't a normal bombing run. It had elements of an experiment - they wanted to understand how the bomb worked, so they wanted to control the drop precisely and be able to observe the effects. The aim…

That diary is a fantastic read. The language, the drama, the bird's eye view of one of the most pivotal moments in world history. Beats fiction any day.

The mass murder, yeah, great stuff.
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