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The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #17

Good grief that was a waste of time. This entire concept only works if time travel is possible and will be discovered in the future. It isn't, and it won't be.

Time travel... or something like Asimov's Psychohistory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_%28fictional%29) Granted that does not have anything to do with the box choice.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #6

TL,DR: Here is the thought experiment, 4th paragraph after 3 long paragraphs of stuff I didn't want to read. "What if, in the future, a somewhat malevolent AI were to come about and punish those who did not do its bidding? What if there were a way (and I will explain how) for this AI to punish people today who are not helping it come into existence later? In that case, weren’t the readers of LessWrong right then bein…

OT but IMO it's such a huge cost to the economy (and humanity) that marijuana is still taboo. The thought experiments that you describe, for me at least, are not only fun, but more often than not lead to practical, wealth-generating breakthroughs. I assume I'm not the only one. I hope one day historians and economists will study the lost opportunity costs of the prohibition / taboo nature of marijuana.

Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, Bill Gates, Bill Clinton, Richard Branson and thousands of other top minds would agree with what you said. I don't think anyone would actually disagree and be able to provide a valid reason.

Politics, money, religion, and several other irrelevant factors keep it highly illegal.

It even has come to the point where states are ignoring federal law, so progress is happening thankfully.

Changing the leadership of the DEA would be helpful. Remove guns from the DEA and require them to use the FBI or local SWAT if a crime is bad enough to warrant a raid. "They might flush the evidence" is not a good enough reason to raid good peoples houses and suppress something that does far more good than harm. How many people have died from marijuana and how many people have died from a marijuana related DEA raid? Which is really more harmful to the country? Money seized should go towards public education, not directly to the law-enforcement agencies.

Is it off topic? We are talking about thought-experiments here, and your experience is normal for anyone with even a slightly scientific mind.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #20

How is this more than a souped-up version of Pascal's wager? You better believe in God now because if you don't and he exists, you'll rot in hell.

It sounds exactly like Pascal's wager to me, which means it suffers from all the same problems.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #20

How is this more than a souped-up version of Pascal's wager? You better believe in God now because if you don't and he exists, you'll rot in hell.

Pascal's wager at least involves widely known and culturally influential concept. This is more like small kid drawing a bogeymen, being scared of it and throwing a tantrum

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #19
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even considering telegraphs only input and output was clicks? No wireless, no converting the clicks to anything but words using Morse Code. Was it really reasonable back then to imagine wires running to every house? Electronic signals all around us providing data constantly? Today I can stand almost anywhere (ignoring cell coverage and different technologies required to use satellite phones) and talk to any other hum…

> Even considering telegraphs only input and output was clicks? It wasn't for very long. Remember Jules Verne "predicting" transmission of pictures over long distances? He almost certainly had either tried it, or at least knew about the contemporary commercial Pantelegraph telefax service that operated between Paris and Lyon from 1865. The first patent on telefax like devices dates to 1843. From 1881 onwards, an arra…

Ok, ok, I get it, some kind of long distance communication was imaginable 200 years ago. It's highly debatable whether or not anyone could imagine the internet in it's current form, it's very amazing with giant fiber optics spanning the oceans, wireless signals allowing massive mobility, connections to every home, but it's completely irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.

My original point was that the person I was replying to was saying the technological singularity (AI becoming smarter than humans or possibly taking over the universe) things were impossible, I was simply saying that because some people have trouble imagining advanced technologies doesn't mean that they are impossible.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #17

Good grief that was a waste of time. This entire concept only works if time travel is possible and will be discovered in the future. It isn't, and it won't be.

I think the fear is that the Basilisk will have access to our past records and will be able to determine if we've been naughty or nice.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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It seems that everyone deriding this as pointless may be unaware of the simulation argument. It hasn't been disproven, and it's more likely than not that at some point it will be proven, given the pace of technological advancement.

When you subscribe to the idea that this could all be a sim, the whole thing results in mental contortions that are literally maddening.

Baudrillard observed not dissimilar in Simulacrum.

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #20

How is this more than a souped-up version of Pascal's wager? You better believe in God now because if you don't and he exists, you'll rot in hell.

Just in case anyone cares what the difference is - most possible Gods are about equally likely (no reason to think that one is much more likely to exist than another), while possible AIs which have reached SuperIntelligence status (to the point where they can simulate people for a start) are more likely to be certain ways (for example, self-preservation is not a consideration for an immortal God, nor is research something such a God must engage in, in order to gain knowledge, etc.).

Re: The Most Terrifying Thought Experiment of All Time

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post #17

Good grief that was a waste of time. This entire concept only works if time travel is possible and will be discovered in the future. It isn't, and it won't be.

It's based on the argument that a simulation of yourself is not just an exact copy but actually you and that you will experience what the simulation experiences. I remember reading about an interesting thought experiment where we imagine two separate people able to experience each others' perspective through some technology, being able to switch at will. The author was able to gradually blur the lines between both conciousnesses to really make you confused about where one mind ended and another began. I'm not doing a very good job of explaining, but I think that's what they are building on here.

I agree though, it's stupid.

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