Dutch travellers react calmly to loss of flight MH17 – “we are not America”

Post by rrss1122 » Fri, Jul 18, 2014, 6:49 PM UTC

Mikeb85 wrote: post #10

paulhauggis wrote: post #2

"This is something that never, never happens, and it's unlikely to happen again. " This wasn't an equipment failure or a natural disaster, so I don't really agree with this line of thinking. "But we are not going to call for the government to go and catch the perpetrators or go to war." If this was an intentional act, we do need to do something about it (so it doesn't happen again). Extreme pacifism just leads to bul…

Why on earth would it be intentional? It's pretty much the worst PR possible for Russia. In fact, the only parties who have anything to gain from the plane going down are Kyiv and the US. It was more than likely an unfortunate accident, as the separatists had shot down several fighter jets and military transports in the same area in the days leading up to MH17... On previous days MH17 had also flown south of Donetsk.

Post by vixen99 » Fri, Jul 18, 2014, 7:26 PM UTC

Post by paulhauggis » Fri, Jul 18, 2014, 8:18 PM UTC

zeeed wrote: post #5

paulhauggis wrote: post #2

"This is something that never, never happens, and it's unlikely to happen again. " This wasn't an equipment failure or a natural disaster, so I don't really agree with this line of thinking. "But we are not going to call for the government to go and catch the perpetrators or go to war." If this was an intentional act, we do need to do something about it (so it doesn't happen again). Extreme pacifism just leads to bul…

I, for one, am glad that hitting back is not the only strategy available to ensure that the chances of this happening again are minimized. And I'm glad that there are governments in place in this world that share this perspective.

Post by kissa » Fri, Jul 18, 2014, 9:11 PM UTC

amalag wrote: post #12

This one is no mystery. There are deleted statements for this from the separatists. 1. Russian government gives BUK to separatists. (what could go wrong?). We have deleted tweets from the separatists bragging about their newly acquired BUK and youtube videos of the BUK being driven around. 2. Separatists think they are shooting down a Ukrainian transport plane. They brag about shooting down a plane at the time the pl…

Post by astrodust » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 7:27 AM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #6

astrodust wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intentional or not, there have been, at most, three passenger jets hit by anti-aircraft missiles in the last thirty years. Keep in mind that even if this happened once a year, flying would still be far, far safer than driving.

> Intentional or not, there have been, at most, three passenger jets hit by anti-aircraft missiles in the last thirty years. At most 3 is incorrect. Not counting MH17, there are at least four civilian passenger aircraft that were definitively shot down by missiles, and more that were suspected to be (or were definitively shot down, but where I can't find definitive information on the "by missiles" part) in the last 3…