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Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

The point is to say it's an error in an automated system, rather than a human who decided to intentionally send out notices to 120-year-olds. Of course humans programmed the system, but they surely didn't mean to program it to do that.

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

#22

"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

This gets sort of philosophical. What would be an example of a computer error?

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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post #20

I registered for the selective service and all of that, and it never really crossed my mind. 12 years later, the act seems alarmingly misandristic. It also makes me wonder if any feminists are fighting to have this law updated to include all citizens and not just males...

Not sure about feminist efforts, but all recent efforts to reinstate some kind of draft included women: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_National_Service_Act

I know the National Organization of Women's position has always been that they oppose any kind of draft, but if it has to continue they would like women to be included. I think most feminists would understandably rather work to get rid of all selective service rather than include women.

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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post #22

"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

This gets sort of philosophical. What would be an example of a computer error?

A computer seeing an instruction, be deciding on its own free will to not follow it, an do something else.

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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The article said 14,000 men. Is that possible that there are that many folks in Pennsylvania that were born between those dates?

The article also said that they sent letters addressed to individuals who were no longer living.

That must be distressing for the families.

As an aside: Do the SS send letters to dead people born between 1993-1997? You'd assume they'd check for death records or have some way of being notified about that.

For example if a boy is born in 1993 but died at age 5, do the parents get a letter from the SS in 2011 telling the boy to register for the SS?

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

#26

"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

2014-1997 = 17 [to 21 @ 1993].

To me it looks like a Y2K bug.

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

#27

"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

2014-1997 = 17 [to 21 @ 1993]. To me it looks like a Y2K bug.

It sure does:

".. the agency uses a two-digit code for the birth year, which is why the years 1893 to 1897 were mixed up with the years from 1993 to 1997."

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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post #21

"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

The point is to say it's an error in an automated system, rather than a human who decided to intentionally send out notices to 120-year-olds. Of course humans programmed the system, but they surely didn't mean to program it to do that .

And more importantly, the humans who programmed it probably don't work for the selective service. Obviously all "computer errors" are technically the fault of a human somewhere down the line, but in common usage it means that "I didn't make a mistake, the computer didn't do what I told it to do".

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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post #24
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This gets sort of philosophical. What would be an example of a computer error?

A computer seeing an instruction, be deciding on its own free will to not follow it, an do something else.

I think that if the computer decided to exercise its own free will, the resulting error would pale into insignificance.

"Screw that batch processing job. I wanna get to 2048!"

Re: Men born between 1893 and 1897 reminded to register for the draft

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post #22

"These letters were sent due to a computer error, the agency said in a message posted online" No this is a human error. Are they trying to avoid responsibility when this is a minor (and a little funny) mistake ?

This gets sort of philosophical. What would be an example of a computer error?

That would be a pure hardware error. For example a cosmic ray hitting a cell the DRAM and flipping a bit. Or maybe the Intel FP-Bug, could also be a computer error.

Anything else in software is a programming error, but not necessarily a programmer error, since it might start with wrong HW specs, compiler bugs, etc.

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