Note, a region is not a data center. A region is a collection of two or more Availability Zones (AZ). You can think of an AZ as a data center.
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/images/aw...
New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
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Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
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Hetzner can give you extremely cheap physical hardware, prices which you cannot hope to approach with AWS. You don't need any of the buzzword-y technologies you list to be supported directly by the host. If you want Docker, you can run it yourself. VMs are over-rated.
I don't have a horse in this race, but IMO the point is more about AWS-provided infrastructure that lets people scale more easily than otherwise possible; things like Elastic Map Reduce, S3, DynamoDB, SQS + SNS, RDS, etc are less-easily replaced by home-grown equivalents. There are great open-source solutions for every one of those things, but the point is having to not manage them. If you're using the cloud as "just…
exactly. Speed of innovation is how you win. If you start with an MVP, a cheap 5$ droplet at digital ocean is cheaper than the cheapest hetzner server. if you grow and need failover-solutions, you'll run into a lot of devops work when you build everything your own. (you can't automate a lot of work because of lack of API and automation by the typical providers)
So it's not a price question imho. It's about speed of innovation, usability of "building blocks" and limiting of operational risks.
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
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You don't need anything that you mention to scale. My company using hetzner for many years to build profitable business (not extremely big, but not "private blog") and we are happy with our choice. It probably took a slightly more time to build scalable solution with hetzner, but our monthly bill is 9 times smaller with hetzner (than comparable hardware with AWS). This savings allow us to hire 2-3 people more that ea…
How do you define scaling if a manual process controlled by another party is involved? Besides that, what do you think that Hetzner does not provide a 2 factor authentication? As Hetzner doesn't use HSTS on their client/api interface, it's quite easy to run ssl downgrade attacks, sniff your credentials and format all your servers, delete all your backups.
I think you're confusing elasticity with scalability. Just because you can't spin up instances within seconds doesn't mean you can't run at scale on traditional hosting providers.
Still, I do believe that's the direction the industry will move towards. OVH, for example, is already pushing pretty hard in that market, and their business model was pretty similar to the providers you mentioned not so long ago. It's probably just a matter of time.
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
#24Note, a region is not a data center. A region is a collection of two or more Availability Zones (AZ). You can think of an AZ as a data center. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/images/aw...
But even an AZ is not necessarily one physical data center; it may be many.
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
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You don't need anything that you mention to scale. My company using hetzner for many years to build profitable business (not extremely big, but not "private blog") and we are happy with our choice. It probably took a slightly more time to build scalable solution with hetzner, but our monthly bill is 9 times smaller with hetzner (than comparable hardware with AWS). This savings allow us to hire 2-3 people more that ea…
How do you define scaling if a manual process controlled by another party is involved? Besides that, what do you think that Hetzner does not provide a 2 factor authentication? As Hetzner doesn't use HSTS on their client/api interface, it's quite easy to run ssl downgrade attacks, sniff your credentials and format all your servers, delete all your backups.
We don't have sudden huge traffic spikes and so we don't need automatic scaling. We maintain a few extra serves for redundancy and small traffic spikes. When business grows and we notice that current servers isn't enough we simply order a new ones.
> what do you think that Hetzner does not provide a 2 factor authentication
It's ok for me. Easy solution is to run VPN on hetzner server and access Robot (their control panel) only inside their own network.
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Dude, chill out. I don't see how the fact that these providers don't target your specific needs imply that they need to be driven out of business. I use both AWS and Hetzner. Both have very different offerings aimed at different use cases. AWS gives you simplicity, but everything is crazy expensive. Hetzner and friends give you much more powerful hardware, but you have to setup things yourself.
I have to setup things myself on AWS, too, but I can use standard tools like Chef or Puppet and don't have to deal with manual service requests or running a mash-VPN myself to connect my physical machines over a single network just to have some "private" networking. I think DigitalOcean is a nice example of how fast you iterate. They did many things right, some wrong. But the don't settle. They are building new thing…
Hetzner does provide ipv6 on VPS. You just request it in the control panel and get a /64 allocated.
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
#27I'll wait to see how this pans out first, thanks... http://phys.org/news/2014-06-microsoft-court-overseas.html
Have you been reading the rest of the news over the last year or so? If they want it, they are taking it. That is of course unless governments aren't already sharing.
I had a potential client from the Netherlands (pre-NSA) say no thanks as we are a US based company and he didn't want the possibility of the US government obtaining his data. Fair enough I wasn't going to change his mind. Those who travel frequently internationally know (or should) about a program called Global Entry. Basically let's you go though the border using a machine instead of talking to an immigration officer. At the time it was available to US citizens (with a squeaky clean record) and Dutch citizens. What kind of information sharing must the Dutch be doing with the US to allow us to basically open our borders?
Back to data centers and pretending governments aren't in bed with the NSA for some reason or another and a non US company owns the data center. Who do you think is providing the pipe going into that data center? Almost certainly a US company (or it is 1-2 hops away).
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
#28Note, a region is not a data center. A region is a collection of two or more Availability Zones (AZ). You can think of an AZ as a data center. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/images/aw...
But even an AZ is not necessarily one physical data center; it may be many.
Agree, but it is somewhat unclear.
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
#29I'll wait to see how this pans out first, thanks... http://phys.org/news/2014-06-microsoft-court-overseas.html
How would this be different in Ireland (eu-west-1)?
Re: New AWS region coming soon: eu-central-1
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You don't need anything that you mention to scale. My company using hetzner for many years to build profitable business (not extremely big, but not "private blog") and we are happy with our choice. It probably took a slightly more time to build scalable solution with hetzner, but our monthly bill is 9 times smaller with hetzner (than comparable hardware with AWS). This savings allow us to hire 2-3 people more that ea…
How do you define scaling if a manual process controlled by another party is involved? Besides that, what do you think that Hetzner does not provide a 2 factor authentication? As Hetzner doesn't use HSTS on their client/api interface, it's quite easy to run ssl downgrade attacks, sniff your credentials and format all your servers, delete all your backups.
> How do you define scaling if a manual process controlled by another party is involved?
Who even says you have to use one hosting provider? ;)
I think the problem here is you aren't used to regularly stable workloads that can be anticipated with reasonable lead time. [e.g. a week or more]