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NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Raw milk distributors.

Wait, what? Are you being facetious? This is so oddly specific.

http://boingboing.net/2009/12/08/farm-family-put-unde.html

Edit: The title and link of this HN article have changed. The link changed from a BoingBoing article to the original German article, and the headline used to be a question ("Who is the NSA spying on..." or similar) that gave the GP comment more context.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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post #6

When the NSA collects evidence on someone and uses that evidence to prosecute a criminal case, they can and should file a motion to suppress that evidence. The NSA data is collected under search issued by a FISA court. So, during a suppression hearing, defense counsel can challenge the validity of the warrant. If their challenge is denied, they can appeal. If their appeal fails, they can petition the Supreme Court. I…

It isn't as if the government just takes that evidence and unilaterally decides to blow people up.

Well, except when they do, in Afghanistan or Yemen, say.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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post #6

When the NSA collects evidence on someone and uses that evidence to prosecute a criminal case, they can and should file a motion to suppress that evidence. The NSA data is collected under search issued by a FISA court. So, during a suppression hearing, defense counsel can challenge the validity of the warrant. If their challenge is denied, they can appeal. If their appeal fails, they can petition the Supreme Court. I…

This would be a reasonable view if there weren't a systematic campaign by the NSA, FBI, and DEA to lie to judges and prosecutors about the actual source of underlying evidence.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intel...

The EFF calls it Intelligence Laundering. The DEA calls it parallel construction. Either way it is sinister and immoral and a court hasn't had a chance to rule on it precisely because it is very difficult for defendants to prove that both the prosecutor and judge were lied to.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Of course this happens, and it's an obvious technique. I'm sure that not having a facebook account adds to your score, using AdBlock adds to your score, mentioning the NSA online adds to your score, refusing cookies adds to your score, using Linux adds to your score, etc. That's how a police state works. (XKeyScore += 5) My mother was involved in civil rights, so she has a file. It's fine that I have a file too. Hope…

Yeah, and if you don't even have an internet connection, NSA is putting you on their most wanted list. Give me a break. Not doing something can't make you more suspicious.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

#25
I'd like to focus on:

Merely searching the web for the privacy-enhancing software tools outlined in the XKeyscore rules causes the NSA to mark and track the IP address of the person doing the search.

Again the media makes it sound like there exists a dragnet on (Google) searches. But this time one of the authors is J. Appelbaum.

So which is it? Terrorist Scores based on search engine searches sounds fantastically insane to me. But unencrypted it is possible to intercept. So perhaps it is something in between: All accessible searches are monitored, and search engines do not cooperate with this directly, unless they have to legally comply with the request?

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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Of course this happens, and it's an obvious technique. I'm sure that not having a facebook account adds to your score, using AdBlock adds to your score, mentioning the NSA online adds to your score, refusing cookies adds to your score, using Linux adds to your score, etc. That's how a police state works. (XKeyScore += 5) My mother was involved in civil rights, so she has a file. It's fine that I have a file too. Hope…

> Hopefully I'll be gone before they start going door to door.

Why care about the rest of your family that will still be here to endure the rest... or the rest of us. You have no kids, right?

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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post #24

Of course this happens, and it's an obvious technique. I'm sure that not having a facebook account adds to your score, using AdBlock adds to your score, mentioning the NSA online adds to your score, refusing cookies adds to your score, using Linux adds to your score, etc. That's how a police state works. (XKeyScore += 5) My mother was involved in civil rights, so she has a file. It's fine that I have a file too. Hope…

Yeah, and if you don't even have an internet connection, NSA is putting you on their most wanted list. Give me a break. Not doing something can't make you more suspicious.

>Not doing something can't make you more suspicious.

That's just stupid.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, and if you don't even have an internet connection, NSA is putting you on their most wanted list. Give me a break. Not doing something can't make you more suspicious.

>Not doing something can't make you more suspicious. That's just stupid.

No. That's common sense. If you don't do something on the internet, there is no data. No data = nothing suspicious.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

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The only way out of this, as I see it, is making privacy the default. But this require some cooperation and motivation from the big guys at silicon valley. Imagine if Chrome, Firefox, Safari, all of them had, just like the incognito mode, the private mode. Of course, as anonymity also depends on the behavior of the user online, other actions are needed to really ensure security and privacy. But making it the default…

They can start with using HTTPS for everything and hosting things like analytics (Piwik rocks!), javascript libraries etc. themselves.

Re: NSA targets the privacy-conscious

#30
"It also records details about visits to a popular internet journal for Linux operating system users called "the Linux Journal - the Original Magazine of the Linux Community", and calls it an "extremist forum"."

WTF? I guess I am on a list. Who knew being an extremist was so easy?

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