I don't understand why the new chat protocols and clients focus solely on mobile (phone?) platforms. Why aren't there more desktop clients ?
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If they really took privacy seriously they wouldn't be able to decipher the message even as it passed through their servers. There are already apps that make end-to-end encryption user friendly (Telegram comes to mind).
Even iMessage uses end-to-end encryption. It's a pretty poor sign if it's less secure than the service already built into the phone. (And yeah I know iMessage isn't open source and so this is difficult to verify, but "Talk" isn't open either. Apple published a big PDF about how they do encryption - if this were proved to be false it would destroy all trust in Apple forever, so I believe what they say.) Big PDF: http:…
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#24Any plans to support XMPP, or is this another closed platform?
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#25Maybe I don't understand, but why even have messages retained on the server at all? Couldn't the local app keep them stored on the phone? Also, does anyone know if they're encrypted at all. In this day and age isn't that a requirement for them to be considered private?
What if the other phone is off at the time? You kind of need a server to act as a buffer. No reason why it couldn't be client side encrypted though... iMessage does that.
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#26I don't understand why the new chat protocols and clients focus solely on mobile (phone?) platforms. Why aren't there more desktop clients ?
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if the other phone is off at the time? You kind of need a server to act as a buffer. No reason why it couldn't be client side encrypted though... iMessage does that.
the sender can do that.
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#28"Deleted from our server" assumes the user has no understanding of data forensics. We really need TextSecure on iOS soon to stop the proliferation of all of these silly privacy apps. There needs to be a strong cross-platform alternative.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they really took privacy seriously they wouldn't be able to decipher the message even as it passed through their servers. There are already apps that make end-to-end encryption user friendly (Telegram comes to mind).
Supposedly Apple can't decipher iMessages: http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/27/apple-explains-exactly-how-...
From the article, that's the part where Apple could MITM the communication, because public keys retrieved from Apple would be automatically trusted. They can just silently inject an extra public key for which they have the private key. That said, it seems like the protocol at least has forward secrecy, meaning that if they didn't inject a bad key when the message was sent, there's not much they can do later to decrypt the message (unless they have a backdoor that allows them to force your phone to send them its private key)
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#30Does Path have any interest at all in making money so they can, ya know, become a real business? Or are they just another participant in the big-VC social network app ponzi scheme?
I addressed this in another comment, but the ability to message businesses that they are rolling out in the summer would be their gateway to actually making money (businesses want to hear feedback about themselves but there aren’t many solutions that address this well yet).