Google+ broke our trust • Hacker News Board

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by crazychrome » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:05 PM UTC

diminish wrote: post #4

As an intensive user, everywhere on Google products, I feel the Microsoftization. This includes documentation with corporate jargon, the bloated and confusing Hangout fiasco, the frustrating way to connect multiple identities together. Did they hire any corporate UX/UI/branding/marketing/documentation guys from Redmond recently, after Larry Page's CEOship?

exactly. Larry Page reminds me of Steve Ballmer's remark on iPhone. I think Steve Ballmer is an excellent man, except having no idea about design: "... windows phone can DO email...". Larry Page thought Google can DO social, and he gets G+.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by tomrod » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:07 PM UTC

adam74 wrote: post #15

I miss the days of Google Labs and twenty percent time.

Me too. I remember being excited about seeing what Google's next big thing was. I lost hope when Reader was shut down.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by TheLoneWolfling » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:09 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #19

I've been using G+ consistently for a week now after signing off from a competing social network. I thoroughly enjoy it so far. Why is G+ dead in the water? EDIT: Fatfingered a random exclamation point

Forced lack of anonymity and forced integration.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by raldi » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:09 PM UTC

> With Google+, it became clear that we were all little more than webs of flesh spun over packages of saleable data.

What data is allegedly being sold, and who is Google selling it to?

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by lbotos » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:10 PM UTC

tomrod wrote: post #19

I've been using G+ consistently for a week now after signing off from a competing social network. I thoroughly enjoy it so far. Why is G+ dead in the water? EDIT: Fatfingered a random exclamation point

I think most people feel Google's incessant need to push it on every product leads to overexposure and this hate of G+. To further that, I closed my G+ account a few months ago due to inactivity. You'd better believe that the whole process made it sound like I was going to lose access to my email, my youtube account, etc. It wasn't a positive experience.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by silverbax88 » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:12 PM UTC

higherpurpose wrote: post #3

I wish both Google and Microsoft would understand that you can't force change down users' throats. It needs to come naturally. They need to want it, and have it grow organically . Sure, forcing them will definitely bring you bigger "adoption" (for lack of a better word) faster, but it will also build up a lot of resentment, potentially negating any advantage you might have from ramming the change through, in the long…

I cannot applaud your comments enough. Microsoft has absolutely lost their mind trying to push the Windows 8 tablet interface on desktop users; Google+ integration is one of the biggest threats to user engagements (and personal safety in many cases). On one hand I see that their missteps create opportunity for new companies; but on the other hand, it worries me about the lack of alternatives and what it means if I can't use an OS or social network that doesn't want to absolutely fuck me over.

Honestly, all we need is a search engine that returns decent results and doesn't try to tell the world who we are (DuckDuckGo) and a social network that lets us only communicate the way we want, to who we want (???).

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by taejo » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:15 PM UTC

afarrell wrote: post #5

For some reason, my email address is now linked to a name that is not mine. I've not yet bothered to figure out how to change it, but I wish for the sake of trans people that this error had been more common.

Gmail insists on respelling the name of one of my contacts; it's only one letter different, but it's slightly embarrassing that I seem not to know his name after eight years of working together.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by silverbax88 » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:15 PM UTC

brudgers wrote: post #11

higherpurpose wrote: post #3

I wish both Google and Microsoft would understand that you can't force change down users' throats. It needs to come naturally. They need to want it, and have it grow organically . Sure, forcing them will definitely bring you bigger "adoption" (for lack of a better word) faster, but it will also build up a lot of resentment, potentially negating any advantage you might have from ramming the change through, in the long…

I wish both Google and Microsoft would understand that you can't force change down users' throat Innovation is a funny thing, and interestingly, forcing change on end users is something for which Apple regularly receives praise. Or as Henry Ford pointed out, people wanted faster horses. Few people probably wanted rush hour gridlock either. Denonymization of the internet had already happened long before G÷. Cookies an…

Except people are ignoring the significant market growth slowdown that Apple has lost since Job's departure. A lot of old school Apple-friendly press always cheer each Apple release, but the reality is Apple hasn't really been "Apple" for some time. You have to remember that all of the news Apple released last week doesn't matter to the average user/consumer. The biggest news from Apple over the last 3 years to the average consumer was that they bought Beats headphones.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by IgorPartola » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:16 PM UTC

I don't get it. So Brin announces to the world that Google+ is the new sliced bread in 2011. Then he tells a small group of people that he thinks he personally should not have been involved with G+. Also the leader of the G+ project leaves (one month after the project started? One month after Brin had his candid talk recently?)

Where in this is the broken trust? What is the author actually upset about? Seems to me like in 2011 Brin and co. thought Google+ was the future. Now Brin simply is admitting that he personally might not have been the right person to take this on and perhaps it was a bad idea (not clear from the poorly written article). On top of that the author is trying to make a story out of the project leader leaving precisely because there was no story there.

I think this piece is terribly written and there is no story behind it. G+ is not my favorite product but I think this is just an outburst of anger that does not deserve our attention.

Re: Google+ broke our trust

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Post by jwheeler79 » Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 1:18 PM UTC

IgorPartola wrote: post #29

I don't get it. So Brin announces to the world that Google+ is the new sliced bread in 2011. Then he tells a small group of people that he thinks he personally should not have been involved with G+. Also the leader of the G+ project leaves (one month after the project started? One month after Brin had his candid talk recently?) Where in this is the broken trust? What is the author actually upset about? Seems to me li…

the point of the article is that google has lost trust, and google+ along with strange, self-serving behavior of executives is how. that much is undeniable.