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Light Table 0.6.6

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Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#21

Post by rgbrenner »

muhuk wrote: post #16
Morgawr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the two doesn't come with Google analytics automatically included and enabled by default to track your editor usage. I'll let you wonder which of the two.

I have searched for "ga.js" & "analytics" in the Ligttable repository, nothing came up. So I assume you mean it's Atom that comes with GA tracking enabled by default.

https://atom.io/faq

Why does Atom send usage data to Google Analytics?

In the same way that aggregate usage information is important when developing a web application, we've found that it's just as important for desktop applications, especially during the beta program. By knowing which Atom features are being used the most, and how the editor is performing, we can focus our development efforts in the right place. For details on what data Atom is sending or to learn how to disable metrics gathering, visit https://github.com/atom/metrics.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#22

Post by muhuk »

rgbrenner wrote: post #21
muhuk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have searched for "ga.js" & "analytics" in the Ligttable repository, nothing came up. So I assume you mean it's Atom that comes with GA tracking enabled by default.

https://atom.io/faq Why does Atom send usage data to Google Analytics? In the same way that aggregate usage information is important when developing a web application, we've found that it's just as important for desktop applications, especially during the beta program. By knowing which Atom features are being used the most, and how the editor is performing, we can focus our development efforts in the right place. For…

It is unfortunate they've chosen opt-out. This is a tool for developers by developers. Are devs really cool with this, collecting information about them (even if it's anonymized) without their explicit consent?

Regardless of who will be the users, opt-in is the civilized and respectful way for this sort of thing.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#24

Post by serf »

muhuk wrote: post #22
rgbrenner wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://atom.io/faq Why does Atom send usage data to Google Analytics? In the same way that aggregate usage information is important when developing a web application, we've found that it's just as important for desktop applications, especially during the beta program. By knowing which Atom features are being used the most, and how the editor is performing, we can focus our development efforts in the right place. For…

It is unfortunate they've chosen opt-out. This is a tool for developers by developers. Are devs really cool with this, collecting information about them (even if it's anonymized) without their explicit consent? Regardless of who will be the users, opt-in is the civilized and respectful way for this sort of thing.

I would think that devs would be the most okay with this concept, as they are the only ones that understand what data may or may not actually be transmitted, and the data collection goes towards helping people in the same seat (albeit different projects) as the maker of this product, developers.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#25

Post by cturner »

A problem I've had with recent lighttable releases is that there's a dependency on recent GCC due to build of webkit that light table uses for its GUI.

I understand lighttable 0.5.9 to be the most recent that works.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#26

Post by Morgawr »

Morgawr wrote: post #13
Igglyboo wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't used either but they seem pretty similar, how does atom compare to light table?

One of the two doesn't come with Google analytics automatically included and enabled by default to track your editor usage. I'll let you wonder which of the two.

I'm not sure why I am getting downvoted to hell (also Igglyboo's entirely legit question). I just stated a fact, it's really undeniable.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#27

Post by rawland »

Morgawr wrote: post #26
Morgawr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the two doesn't come with Google analytics automatically included and enabled by default to track your editor usage. I'll let you wonder which of the two.

I'm not sure why I am getting downvoted to hell (also Igglyboo's entirely legit question). I just stated a fact, it's really undeniable.

Observed a similar behavior yesterday with critical comments towards Apple's Swift and its similarity to LightTable. I guess a few HN members sense trolling or exert implicit trolling towards critical comments by downvoting them.

Got me started to think about:

http://mattmaroon.com/2010/11/23/i-quit-hacker-news/

Matt's reasons:

  1. Lack of down-vote means vocal minorities are
     disproportionately represented.

  2. Votes on comments are used to express agreement
     or disagreement rather than value, perhaps because
     many people simply cannot see the difference
     between the two.

  3. The community is full of ideologues to the point
     where the comments are most often just predictable
     talking points being regurgitated ad nauseum.

  4. The community is often snobbish and out of touch
     with how the other half lives.

  5. It's a time suck.

  6. It removes comments from where they should be,
     on the destination site.

  7. It reduces blogging time.
Food for thought.

Disclaimer: I'm a devotee of HN; It's home, but also I'm a devotee of critical thinking.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

#28

Post by paulrov »

peterashford wrote: post #23

meh I'll get excited when I can CHANGE THE F##KING FONT without editing a F##KING config file (after reading the help and being redirected to watch a #*%!@! video).

I struggle to think of a recent text editor that lets you do this.

ST, TM2, Atom all require this. Yeah it kinda sucks for a setting you most likely want to flick back and forth through a few options quickly to get an idea which you like best.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

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Post by mkohlmyr »

ibdknox wrote: post #2

Highlights for the TLDR crowd: multiple cursors and improved editor performance. I know many of our users/contributors are from here so thanks to all of you for the awesome involvement we've seen. You guys rock :)

Tweeted you some praise the second I saw the updates. Love the tab changes in particular. Every time there's a new version of LightTable I tell myself I need to pick up Clojure and get involved and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'd be willing to bet your project is doing great things for Clojure adoption (or at least awareness) in general.

Re: Light Table 0.6.6

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Post by nl »

Morgawr wrote: post #26
Morgawr wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the two doesn't come with Google analytics automatically included and enabled by default to track your editor usage. I'll let you wonder which of the two.

I'm not sure why I am getting downvoted to hell (also Igglyboo's entirely legit question). I just stated a fact, it's really undeniable.

You are being downvoted because your point is pretty much irrelevant for most people.

Clearly this is about comparing the editors. Analytics is orthogonal to that. If you want to talk about the costs and benefits of Google Analytics them I'm sure there's another thread where it is more relevant.

Igglyboo's comment is probably downvoted because they don't "seem similar" at all beyond the idea that they both work with code.

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